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Old 07-15-2011, 09:49 PM
James Bridge
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

Using Fedora 15 with Gnome 3 I can only get updates manually, either
with Yum or Software Update. That works fine but it is supposed to check
for updates automatically and it doesn't. The options are set using
"Software Updates" (note the final s!) and I have it set to check daily,
for all updates. Nothing happens. Why not?
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:46 PM
Steven Stern
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On 07/15/2011 04:49 PM, James Bridge wrote:
> Using Fedora 15 with Gnome 3 I can only get updates manually, either
> with Yum or Software Update. That works fine but it is supposed to check
> for updates automatically and it doesn't. The options are set using
> "Software Updates" (note the final s!) and I have it set to check daily,
> for all updates. Nothing happens. Why not?


Me, too. And I've also got yum-updatesd running (in notify only mode).
It, too, never reports anything.

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Old 07-16-2011, 12:44 PM
James Bridge
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?

Fedora 15 seems not to install yum-updatesd but it doesn't sound to be
worth putting it in anyway.

James

On Fri, 2011-07-15 at 17:46 -0500, Steven Stern wrote:
> On 07/15/2011 04:49 PM, James Bridge wrote:
> > Using Fedora 15 with Gnome 3 I can only get updates manually, either
> > with Yum or Software Update. That works fine but it is supposed to check
> > for updates automatically and it doesn't. The options are set using
> > "Software Updates" (note the final s!) and I have it set to check daily,
> > for all updates. Nothing happens. Why not?
>
>
> Me, too. And I've also got yum-updatesd running (in notify only mode).
> It, too, never reports anything.
>
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Old 07-16-2011, 12:48 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On 07/16/2011 06:14 PM, James Bridge wrote:
> I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?
>

Works just fine here.

Rahul
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Old 07-16-2011, 01:25 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 18:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 07/16/2011 06:14 PM, James Bridge wrote:
> > I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?
> >
>
> Works just fine here.
>
> Rahul

Well I join those for whom it does nor work. I was told earlier that the
automatic update only works for security updates and it is actually
automatic. That is it does not ask if you want to update.

Is any of this true?
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Old 07-16-2011, 09:39 PM
James Bridge
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 08:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 18:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > On 07/16/2011 06:14 PM, James Bridge wrote:
> > > I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?
> > >
> >
> > Works just fine here.
> >
> > Rahul
>
> Well I join those for whom it does nor work. I was told earlier that the
> automatic update only works for security updates and it is actually
> automatic. That is it does not ask if you want to update.
>
> Is any of this true?
> --

I have just run "Software Updates". There are three options; I have them
set to check daily, to install all updates (as opposed to security
updates) automatically and not to do it using mobile broadband (this is
a desktop anyway). I never see a window pop up and ask if I want to
update _unless_ I go to either Software Updates or Software Update and
start the check manually. Then I almost always get a list of things to
do, sometimes as many as 50 packages, depending how long since I last
checked. So the machine is certainly not updating automatically.

FWIW, I don't think an invisible update process would be desirable. Is
that what "automatic" means?

So far as I know, I am running Fedora 15 x86_64 with no modifications.
There must be a config file somewhere: does anyone know what it is
called? And for a daily check, when should the check happen - at first
boot up or at a particular time of day? If the latter, what happens if
the computer is turned off then? If the check is set for midnight, mine
would never actually be running. That might explain a lot!
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Old 07-17-2011, 12:29 AM
Mark LaPierre
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On 07/16/2011 05:39 PM, James Bridge wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 08:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
>> On Sat, 2011-07-16 at 18:18 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>>> On 07/16/2011 06:14 PM, James Bridge wrote:
>>>> I'm glad it's not just me... Has _anyone_ got it working?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Works just fine here.
>>>
>>> Rahul
>>
>> Well I join those for whom it does nor work. I was told earlier that the
>> automatic update only works for security updates and it is actually
>> automatic. That is it does not ask if you want to update.
>>
>> Is any of this true?
>> --
>
> I have just run "Software Updates". There are three options; I have them
> set to check daily, to install all updates (as opposed to security
> updates) automatically and not to do it using mobile broadband (this is
> a desktop anyway). I never see a window pop up and ask if I want to
> update _unless_ I go to either Software Updates or Software Update and
> start the check manually. Then I almost always get a list of things to
> do, sometimes as many as 50 packages, depending how long since I last
> checked. So the machine is certainly not updating automatically.
>
> FWIW, I don't think an invisible update process would be desirable. Is
> that what "automatic" means?
>
> So far as I know, I am running Fedora 15 x86_64 with no modifications.
> There must be a config file somewhere: does anyone know what it is
> called? And for a daily check, when should the check happen - at first
> boot up or at a particular time of day? If the latter, what happens if
> the computer is turned off then? If the check is set for midnight, mine
> would never actually be running. That might explain a lot!

I'm pretty sure that my system is not updating correctly either. I have
not seen an alert pop up on my screen since I upgraded from F13 to F14
using preupgrade for the second time on Sun Jul 10. Here's a line from
my daily log.

I've been looking at a continuing notice of a file needing to be updated
on my computer but I could never get the file to install because of a
missing dependency. Last night I decided to run the preupdate program
again. I ran it before and thought that it had correctly upgraded my
computer from F13 to F14 but it appears the the upgrade did not succeed
entirely. I think it's done correctly now. No more notice of a file
needing to be updated.

I just tried:

[root@mushroom ~]# yum update
Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, presto, refresh-packagekit
Found 15 installed debuginfo package(s)
Enabling fedora-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - i386 - Debug
Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Nonfree
- Debug
Enabling rpmfusion-free-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 -
Free - Updates Debug
Enabling rpmfusion-free-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Free - Debug
Enabling updates-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - i386 - Updates - Debug
Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 -
Nonfree

What I see troubles me. It appears to still be pointing to the old F13
repositories. Maybe this is what is wrong with my installation as well
as for the OP.

[root@mushroom ~]# uname -a
Linux mushroom.patch 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sat May 21
17:33:09 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

When I reboot the machine it claims to be F14 on the progress screen.

There must be a configuration file somewhere that is setting the
$releasever variable to F13 instead of F14. Could this effect the auto
updater too?

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Old 07-17-2011, 08:45 AM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:29:03 -0400, ML (Mark) wrote:

> I just tried:
>
> [root@mushroom ~]# yum update
> Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, presto, refresh-packagekit
> Found 15 installed debuginfo package(s)
> Enabling fedora-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - i386 - Debug
> Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Nonfree
> - Debug
> Enabling rpmfusion-free-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 -
> Free - Updates Debug
> Enabling rpmfusion-free-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 - Free - Debug
> Enabling updates-debuginfo: Fedora 13 - i386 - Updates - Debug
> Enabling rpmfusion-nonfree-updates-debuginfo: RPM Fusion for Fedora 13 -
> Nonfree
>
> What I see troubles me. It appears to still be pointing to the old F13
> repositories. Maybe this is what is wrong with my installation as well
> as for the OP.
>
> [root@mushroom ~]# uname -a
> Linux mushroom.patch 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.i686.PAE #1 SMP Sat May 21
> 17:33:09 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
>
> When I reboot the machine it claims to be F14 on the progress screen.
>
> There must be a configuration file somewhere that is setting the
> $releasever variable to F13 instead of F14. Could this effect the auto
> updater too?

No, yours is an entirely different issue. You need to verify the version
of your "fedora-release" package as well as check for any hardcoded
release numbers (instead of the $releasever variable) in /etc/yum.repos.d/
The output of "yum -v repolist" is also relevant when talking about repo
configuration troubles.
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Old 07-17-2011, 08:45 AM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:39:20 +0100, JB (James) wrote:

> I have just run "Software Updates". There are three options; I have them
> set to check daily, to install all updates (as opposed to security
> updates) automatically and not to do it using mobile broadband (this is
> a desktop anyway). I never see a window pop up and ask if I want to
> update _unless_ I go to either Software Updates or Software Update and
> start the check manually. Then I almost always get a list of things to
> do, sometimes as many as 50 packages, depending how long since I last
> checked. So the machine is certainly not updating automatically.
>
> FWIW, I don't think an invisible update process would be desirable. Is
> that what "automatic" means?
>
> So far as I know, I am running Fedora 15 x86_64 with no modifications.
> There must be a config file somewhere: does anyone know what it is
> called? And for a daily check, when should the check happen - at first
> boot up or at a particular time of day? If the latter, what happens if
> the computer is turned off then? If the check is set for midnight, mine
> would never actually be running. That might explain a lot!

I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e.
without using the GUI):
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html

There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation,
too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without
documentation.

Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to
86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value
to force an update poll at login-time.
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Old 07-17-2011, 02:05 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 10:45 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:39:20 +0100, JB (James) wrote:
>
> > I have just run "Software Updates". There are three options; I have them
> > set to check daily, to install all updates (as opposed to security
> > updates) automatically and not to do it using mobile broadband (this is
> > a desktop anyway). I never see a window pop up and ask if I want to
> > update _unless_ I go to either Software Updates or Software Update and
> > start the check manually. Then I almost always get a list of things to
> > do, sometimes as many as 50 packages, depending how long since I last
> > checked. So the machine is certainly not updating automatically.
> >
> > FWIW, I don't think an invisible update process would be desirable. Is
> > that what "automatic" means?
> >
> > So far as I know, I am running Fedora 15 x86_64 with no modifications.
> > There must be a config file somewhere: does anyone know what it is
> > called? And for a daily check, when should the check happen - at first
> > boot up or at a particular time of day? If the latter, what happens if
> > the computer is turned off then? If the check is set for midnight, mine
> > would never actually be running. That might explain a lot!
>
> I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e.
> without using the GUI):
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
>
> There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation,
> too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without
> documentation.
>
> Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to
> 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value
> to force an update poll at login-time.

As usual I am confused. Exactly what did you do change the config values
and where (in what file) did you do it? What is the value to do updates
at login time?

I have yet to catch the automatic update process working? And I can't
see why i would automatic updates without previous notification of what
is being updated as has worked in previous Fedora versions.
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