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Old 07-17-2011, 03:30 PM
Genes MailLists
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

... (haircut)

Curious if this is PackageKit or KPackageKit or both?

For what its worth - on KDE I most definitely get the notification,
but I always use yum anyway.
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Old 07-17-2011, 04:21 PM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:05:19 -0500, AK (Aaron) wrote:

> > I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e.
> > without using the GUI):
> > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
> >
> > There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation,
> > too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without
> > documentation.
> >
> > Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to
> > 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value
> > to force an update poll at login-time.
>
> As usual I am confused. Exactly what did you do change the config values
> and where (in what file) did you do it? What is the value to do updates
> at login time?


Haven't you read the post I linked to? The minimum you should do is to
read it, run several of the commands to read out the config values,
and then try to draw conclusions. Changing the values is very similar
to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals,
however.
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Old 07-17-2011, 06:51 PM
James Bridge
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 11:30 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
> ... (haircut)
>
> Curious if this is PackageKit or KPackageKit or both?
>
> For what its worth - on KDE I most definitely get the notification,
> but I always use yum anyway.
Just PackageKit; I only use Gnome.

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Old 07-17-2011, 09:43 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sun, 2011-07-17 at 18:21 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:05:19 -0500, AK (Aaron) wrote:
>
> > > I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e.
> > > without using the GUI):
> > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
> > >
> > > There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation,
> > > too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without
> > > documentation.
> > >
> > > Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to
> > > 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value
> > > to force an update poll at login-time.
> >
> > As usual I am confused. Exactly what did you do change the config values
> > and where (in what file) did you do it? What is the value to do updates
> > at login time?
>
>
> Haven't you read the post I linked to? The minimum you should do is to
> read it, run several of the commands to read out the config values,
> and then try to draw conclusions. Changing the values is very similar
> to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals,
> however.

I did read your link. If you think that it would help one configure
updates , let me assure you you are misguided.

I don't want to argue with you about it. I asked a question. You are
free not to answer it. I will fool around with the executions in your
link and see what I figure out.

However, it seems to me it would be easier to just answer m question
and not say: Changing the values is very similar
> to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals,
> however.

What manuals are you referring to, for example?
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Old 07-18-2011, 09:19 AM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 16:43:28 -0500, AK (Aaron) wrote:

> > On Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:05:19 -0500, AK (Aaron) wrote:
> >
> > > > I've modified several related configuration values manually (i.e.
> > > > without using the GUI):
> > > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
> > > >
> > > > There's some background in that thread, albeit some misinformation,
> > > > too. So, please don't draw false conclusions. It's not trivial without
> > > > documentation.
> > > >
> > > > Reducing several of the config values from 604800 (weekly) to
> > > > 86400 (daily) or less than that has helped. There's also a value
> > > > to force an update poll at login-time.
> > >
> > > As usual I am confused. Exactly what did you do change the config values
> > > and where (in what file) did you do it? What is the value to do updates
> > > at login time?
> >
> >
> > Haven't you read the post I linked to? The minimum you should do is to
> > read it, run several of the commands to read out the config values,
> > and then try to draw conclusions. Changing the values is very similar
> > to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals,
> > however.
>
> I did read your link. If you think that it would help one configure
> updates , let me assure you you are misguided.

Well, you have wrong expectations then.

I've set values like "frequency-updates-notification" to a much lower
number, and I do get update notifications in GNOME Shell here. They appear
as notifications in the bottom panel, not as permanent windows on the
desktop.

The linked post doesn't give step-by-step instructions, which you just
need to cut'n'paste into a terminal. It's a look under the hood, with some
background added by developers and other users, and it's a first step for
further investigation. Obviously, if you find several of the config values
to say "weekly" (in number of seconds), such as the notification
frequency, you cannot expect something to happen "daily" or more often
than that. And if some values say "daily", not much will happen if you
poll for updates manually several times a day [e.g. with Yum].

> I don't want to argue with you about it. I asked a question. You are
> free not to answer it.

I've linked a message and already mentioned that "there's some background
in that thread". E.g. Richard Hughes explained:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100468.html

> However, it seems to me it would be easier to just answer m question

Stop complaining.

> and not say: Changing the values is very similar
> > to reading them out - may require taking a look at --help or manuals,
> > however.
>
> What manuals are you referring to, for example?

Are you kidding?

"man gsettings" because it is the relevant command and also the only command
used in the linked thread.
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Old 07-22-2011, 11:06 PM
James Bridge
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

OK, I now understand what is going on. Software updates are divided into
two groups, security updates and others. Security updates are
implemented as they arise, taking account of your preferences in
"Software Updates". The others are queued up and executed once a week,
regardless of your settings. If you opt for "automatically install", you
get no indication that the update is under way, security or not.

Thank you, Michael, for pointing to that thread:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
I agree that the Software Updates GUI is unsatisfactory; it isn't clear
what effect the settings have.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:59 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default Fedora 15 won't do automatic updates

On Sat, 2011-07-23 at 00:06 +0100, James Bridge wrote:
> OK, I now understand what is going on. Software updates are divided into
> two groups, security updates and others. Security updates are
> implemented as they arise, taking account of your preferences in
> "Software Updates". The others are queued up and executed once a week,
> regardless of your settings. If you opt for "automatically install", you
> get no indication that the update is under way, security or not.
>
> Thank you, Michael, for pointing to that thread:
> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-May/100453.html
> I agree that the Software Updates GUI is unsatisfactory; it isn't clear
> what effect the settings have.
> --
> James Bridge <james@xmas.demon.co.uk>
>

There is a problem with the statements above. In F14 if you run
gpk-prefs (aka Software Updates in F15) you can set the updates to be
Daily and Automatically Install to Nothing and what will happen is that
when updates are waiting to be installed you get an orange sun-like icon
in the upper panel and you can click on it to see the updates and
install them.

No such similar behavior occurs in F15. Some updates are installed
automatically (I don't know which) and the rest must be installed
manually.

I suspect an indication that this is what will happen is demonstrated by
the program gpk-update-icon which I think is what generate the sun-like
icon in F14. No such program appears in F15. Correct me if I am wrong.

Once again in Gnome3 a feature that gave me some control over what
updates were installed is missing. Someone tell me why this is an
improvement?
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