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Old 05-30-2011, 04:52 PM
"Robert G. (Doc) Savage"
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 22:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/30/2011 09:44 PM, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote:
> > Frank,
> >
> > Will this work on an old 32-bit Thinkpad that's maxed out with 512MB of
> > RAM? Installing from DVD fails.
>
> You can try upgrading piecemeal. Some major set of packages, python,
> then gtk and so on

Rahul,

That's what I was thinking. The roadblock I run into with a conventional
DVD install/upgrade is:

[ 7.076671] Trying to unpack rootfs image as initramfs...

I don't think a yum upgrade tries to do that, but I'm not certain.

--Doc Savage
Fairview Heights, IL

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Old 05-30-2011, 05:01 PM
Joe Zeff
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On 05/30/2011 08:28 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> I only do fresh installs now (since about FC6) and it has certainly
> reduced the issues for me ... if you do insist and upgrade my advice
> would be alternate upgrades with fresh installs (i.e. F16 upgrade, F17
> fresh install etc).

When it was time for me to move from F9 to F11, I installed and used
preupgrade. (There were so many problems with F10 that I just skipped
it.) Worked just fine, and I've used it ever since. Right now, I'm
waiting for F15 to settle down before using it again. YMMD of course,
but I've had good experience with upgrading instead of fresh installs.
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Old 05-30-2011, 06:50 PM
Ed Greshko
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On 05/30/2011 04:11 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
> To anyone trying to upgrade from Fedora 14 to Fedora 15, DON'T EVEN
> TRY!!! I've just tried and have had numerous problems, finally resulting
> in being unable to boot up any kernel version at all, using inittab mode
> 1,3, or 5. In view of this it appears I will have to reinstall Fedora 14.
>

Just took a F14 system to F15 using "preupgrade". ZERO problems.

Maybe you should think twice before spreading FUD?
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Old 05-30-2011, 06:53 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On 05/31/2011 12:20 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/30/2011 04:11 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>> To anyone trying to upgrade from Fedora 14 to Fedora 15, DON'T EVEN
>> TRY!!! I've just tried and have had numerous problems, finally resulting
>> in being unable to boot up any kernel version at all, using inittab mode
>> 1,3, or 5. In view of this it appears I will have to reinstall Fedora 14.
>>
> Just took a F14 system to F15 using "preupgrade". ZERO problems.
>
> Maybe you should think twice before spreading FUD?

Come on. Let's assume good will. His warning might not be helpful with
more details but he is certainly just trying to warn users.

Rahul

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Old 05-30-2011, 06:58 PM
Ed Greshko
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On 05/31/2011 02:53 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Come on. Let's assume good will. His warning might not be helpful with
> more details but he is certainly just trying to warn users.

Over reaction to a personal experience is *never* a good thing not
matter how well intended.

FUD is FUD.
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Old 05-30-2011, 07:03 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On 05/31/2011 12:28 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/31/2011 02:53 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> Come on. Let's assume good will. His warning might not be helpful with
>> more details but he is certainly just trying to warn users.
> Over reaction to a personal experience is *never* a good thing not
> matter how well intended.
>
> FUD is FUD.

I think you are doing the same thing that you are accusing the other
person of doing IMO. You can just point out what is wrong.

Rahul

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Old 05-30-2011, 07:09 PM
"Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak"
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/30/2011 04:11 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>> To anyone trying to upgrade from Fedora 14 to Fedora 15, DON'T EVEN
>> TRY!!! I've just tried and have had numerous problems, finally resulting
>> in being unable to boot up any kernel version at all, using inittab mode
>> 1,3, or 5. In view of this it appears I will have to reinstall Fedora 14.
>>
>
> Just took a F14 system to F15 using "preupgrade". ZERO problems.
>
> Maybe you should think twice before spreading FUD?

No, upgrading F15 is a pain. Beware, expect danger!

System 1: I tried to upgrade one system using the install DVD. Upon
rebooting, I got a blank screen with a flashing cursor. Not even grub! A
fresh install (overwriting everything) fixed that, but still...

System 2: I tried it on a second system, using both the Live CD and the
install DVD. I got further, but gdm crashed when trying to log users in
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707985,
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651180). I found a workaround
for that, but the system was super-unstable and prone to long freezes.
Swapping in different video cards and ethernet cards didn't fix it, so I
had to revert to F14 on that system.

System 3: I used preupgrade-cli with vnc, but it wouldn't boot into
anaconda - another black screen with a flashing cursor. Going to the
second grub choice landed me safely back in F14.


I'm kind of sad, because I actually really like gnome-shell now! It has
quirks, but they'll get ironed out soon enough...

This will be a slow roll-out here, based on results so far :-(


- Mike
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Old 05-30-2011, 07:09 PM
"n2xssvv.g02gfr12930"
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On 30/05/11 19:50, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 05/30/2011 04:11 PM, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>> To anyone trying to upgrade from Fedora 14 to Fedora 15, DON'T EVEN
>> TRY!!! I've just tried and have had numerous problems, finally resulting
>> in being unable to boot up any kernel version at all, using inittab mode
>> 1,3, or 5. In view of this it appears I will have to reinstall Fedora 14.
>>
>
> Just took a F14 system to F15 using "preupgrade". ZERO problems.
>
> Maybe you should think twice before spreading FUD?

I wish I could say the same, it's failed twice for me now, even from a
minimal Fedora 14 KDE reinstall/update. Might be FUD in your world,but I
hope for your sake you never come across a similar problem. Rest assured
if our places are ever reversed you will have my sympathy,and not FUD.
Oh, by the way I am jealous!


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Old 05-30-2011, 07:50 PM
"Garry T. Williams"
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On Monday, May 30, 2011 04:11:26 n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>
> To anyone trying to upgrade from Fedora 14 to Fedora 15, DON'T EVEN
> TRY!!! I've just tried and have had numerous problems, finally
> resulting in being unable to boot up any kernel version at all,
> using inittab mode 1,3, or 5. In view of this it appears I will have
> to reinstall Fedora 14.

While, in one instance, I had problems, I wouldn't recommend not even
trying. F15 is a stable good release for me on two machines.

Here's my experience on two systems:

At work, I did the preupgrade thing and it was a big yawn. All went
well and everything Just Works(tm).

At home, I used the DVD to upgrade. I had several problems, but I was
able to recover from all of them:

1. I was not asked to include the updates repository during the
update process. Now I will have to do an update after first boot.

2. This is apparently a general problem not really related to the
specific upgrade. I noticed that the upgrade process was slow. The
disk just churned forever. After booting for the first time, I ran
yum erase on my debuginfos so that the subsequent yum update would not
pull those in. This erase command took way too long.

I think the rpm database gets into a state that needs attention. This
fixed it:

sudo rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db.001 /var/lib/rpm/__db.002
/var/lib/rpm/__db.003 /var/lib/rpm/__db.004
sudo rpm --rebuilddb

After that, yum operations sped up an order of magnitude.

3. The first boot ended at multiuser.target instead of
graphical.target. (That's init level 3 instead of level 5 in
oldspeak.) I have never touched the inittab on either machine. They
were both set to boot into the graphical login.

When I entered the command

sudo systemctl isolate graphical.target

kdm came up and allowed a normal desktop login.

Hmmm. I compared my machine at work to the home machine and it had
the correct graphical.target file linked in /etc/systemd/system . So
I had to do this to correct the problem:

sudo rm /etc/systemd/system/default.target
sudo ln -s /lib/systemd/system/runlevel5.target
/etc/systemd/system/default.target

I don't know why this happened with the DVD upgrade and not with the
preupgrade upgrade.

4. I then did a yum update and waited a few hours while over 500
packages were downloaded and updated/installed. This was almost 1GB
of downloads. Most packages did not have delta rpms.

5. I run KDE and after logging in and starting Kmail, it refused to
start, complaining about akonadi not being available:

Test 5: ERROR
...
InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11
InnoDB: Check that you do not already have another mysqld process
InnoDB: using the same InnoDB data or log files.
<repeated many times>

Test 10: ERROR
...
Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus.

Test 15: ERROR
...
No resource agents found.

(Wow, this is a fragile piece in kdepim.)

The fix for this ended up being:

sudo yum --enablerepo=kde-testing update

Only Kmail users will experience this one and once the fixed
packages are in updates, it won't happen at all.

6. There was no system log after the upgrade. That one was fixed
with this:

sudo systemctl enable rsyslog.service

Now the home system is operating as expected and all looks good.
Based on my reading over the past several weeks, I think others have
already encountered most of this stuff.

Summary
-------

Serious system problems were 3 and 6 above. These were surprises.
Both were trivial to recover from. The rest was irritating only.

Thank you for another excellent Fedora release.

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Old 05-30-2011, 08:04 PM
Joe Zeff
 
Default Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

On 05/30/2011 12:50 PM, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> 3. The first boot ended at multiuser.target instead of
> graphical.target. (That's init level 3 instead of level 5 in
> oldspeak.) I have never touched the inittab on either machine. They
> were both set to boot into the graphical login.

I presume the names were changed to make it easier to know what they
mean? If so, it's a good idea, especially if there's a comment
somewhere that tells you how they correspond so that all of us oldpharts
can adjust.
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