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Old 05-29-2011, 08:05 PM
Greg Woods
 
Default Why no icons? Was, How to switch back to metacity

> Did you install the Guest Additions and run the script to compile the
> Vbox drivers?

I could have sworn that I had, but I went through this process again
anyway, and sure enough, the install of guest additions behaved very
differently this time. Last time, I had not yet run the guest on a
system that actually let me check the "3D acceleration" button (the
other desktop uses nouveau instead of nvidia), so obviously this causes
the guest additions installer to behave very differently. After going
through this, it now works (I see the "Activities" menu instead of
"Applications" and "Places", so I'm not in fallback mode any more), and
I will have a chance to see what all the fuss is about. After all I've
read about GNOME 3, I don't want to assume "it sucks" without trying it
first, but I have certainly heard enough to make me want to try it in a
VM before it becomes my default desktop. If I end up deciding to switch
to KDE, then I will probably do that before upgrading my main desktop to
F15.

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Old 05-29-2011, 08:38 PM
David
 
Default Why no icons? Was, How to switch back to metacity

On 5/29/2011 4:05 PM, Greg Woods wrote:
>
>> Did you install the Guest Additions and run the script to compile the
>> Vbox drivers?
>
> I could have sworn that I had, but I went through this process again
> anyway, and sure enough, the install of guest additions behaved very
> differently this time. Last time, I had not yet run the guest on a
> system that actually let me check the "3D acceleration" button (the
> other desktop uses nouveau instead of nvidia), so obviously this causes
> the guest additions installer to behave very differently. After going
> through this, it now works (I see the "Activities" menu instead of
> "Applications" and "Places", so I'm not in fallback mode any more), and
> I will have a chance to see what all the fuss is about. After all I've
> read about GNOME 3, I don't want to assume "it sucks" without trying it
> first, but I have certainly heard enough to make me want to try it in a
> VM before it becomes my default desktop. If I end up deciding to switch
> to KDE, then I will probably do that before upgrading my main desktop to
> F15.


Vbox compiles its own drivers. One of them is a special video driver and
*that one* is the one that you use. It is used automatically after
compiling by Vbox. Each time that F 15 kernel updates you will have to
run the script to build new drivers for that kernel and reboot to use
that kernel and new drivers. Currently DKMS is broken so you will have
to do that by hand. I do not know of, might be one, a akmod for this.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=702483

The 3D feature is still work in progress and only somewhat runs in a
Windows guest. 3D is not needed for the 3D Gnome 3 in Fedora 15.

OT The Xorg that is now in Rawhide *does not* work with the Vbox video
driver.


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Old 05-29-2011, 11:39 PM
Joe Zeff
 
Default Why no icons? Was, How to switch back to metacity

On 05/29/2011 12:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design
>
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ
>
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list

All I could find on any of these sites that seemed relevant (I didn't
take the time to go hunting through the archives.) was a comment about
eliminating distraction and promoting "a consistent look and feel." If
that's what you're referring to, thank you. I have my own opinions
about what's distracting and how important that "consistent look and
feel" are but this isn't the right place to bring them up. Unless I've
missed something, my question is asked and answered. Even if there's
something I missed, thanx for a good effort.
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Old 05-30-2011, 03:26 AM
jdow
 
Default Why no icons? Was, How to switch back to metacity

On 2011/05/29 16:39, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/29/2011 12:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design
>>
>> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ
>>
>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list
>
> All I could find on any of these sites that seemed relevant (I didn't
> take the time to go hunting through the archives.) was a comment about
> eliminating distraction and promoting "a consistent look and feel." If
> that's what you're referring to, thank you. I have my own opinions
> about what's distracting and how important that "consistent look and
> feel" are but this isn't the right place to bring them up. Unless I've
> missed something, my question is asked and answered. Even if there's
> something I missed, thanx for a good effort.

This may be informative and may help.

"https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643457"

{^_^}
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Old 05-30-2011, 04:33 AM
Joe Zeff
 
Default Why no icons? Was, How to switch back to metacity

On 05/29/2011 08:26 PM, jdow wrote:
> This may be informative and may help.
>
> "https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643457"
>

That bug has to do with the hidden Power Off button, but I think I can
extrapolate from it. Thanx.
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Old 05-30-2011, 02:59 PM
Genes MailLists
 
Default Why no icons? Was, How to switch back to metacity

On 05/30/2011 12:33 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 05/29/2011 08:26 PM, jdow wrote:
>> This may be informative and may help.
>>
>> "https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643457"
>>
>
> That bug has to do with the hidden Power Off button, but I think I can
> extrapolate from it. Thanx.


When it comes to 'way' .. there's : your, high, my and no ..

gnome devs have def picked one or more of those .. :-)




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Old 05-31-2011, 09:25 AM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default Why no icons? Was, How to switch back to metacity

On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:54:16 -0400, SV wrote:

> And I still find no equivalent settings for having my input focus follow the
> mouse pointer, and for windows to autoraise upon gaining focus.

Ironically, these old settings do still work in GNOME Shell, too:

gconftool-2 --set -t bool /apps/metacity/general/auto_raise true
gconftool-2 --set -t int /apps/metacity/general/auto_raise_delay 700
gconftool-2 --set -t string /apps/metacity/general/focus_mode mouse

And no, it's not (!) fallback mode here.
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