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Old 02-11-2011, 07:38 PM
Anne Wilson
 
Default Broadcom Wireless on Fedora 14 (was users Digest, Vol 84, Issue 33)

On Friday 11 February 2011 19:27:15 Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/11/2011 10:50 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > Please don't reply to digests, and especially don't reply to digests and
> > quite the entire fscking digest in your message (which will now show up
> > all over again in the next digest).
>
> It could be worse, and it has been. About fifteen years ago, I was on a
> mailing list that was misconfigured. This became clear when somebody
> signed up with the wrong email address and all messages from the list
> bounced. The default was to send out digests unless and until you
> changed your settings, and all bounces went to the list itself.
>
> Each digest bounced, causing a new digest to be sent containing the
> previous digest plus whatever had come in since the last. Not only
> that, it decided that these "mega-digests" had to go out to everybody,
> including the vast majority of us who didn't want digests. Now, add to
> that the fact that over 90% of us were on Dial-Up at the time.
>
> As I said, "It could be worse."

While the points made are all true, I'd like to point out that the original
message was actually intended to be helpful to others. After such a
reception, he probably won't bother next time.

Why is it that some people on this list think it clever to publicly humiliate?
Gentle reminders off-list are so much more effective.

Anne
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Old 02-14-2011, 06:05 PM
Joe Zeff
 
Default Broadcom Wireless on Fedora 14 (was users Digest, Vol 84, Issue 33)

On 02/11/2011 12:38 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Why is it that some people on this list think it clever to publicly humiliate?
> Gentle reminders off-list are so much more effective.

The story wasn't meant to humiliate or otherwise chastise the OP; it was
just a story about a badly-configured mailing list that I thought might
be interesting. In fact, unless you're administering a list that does
things like that, I can't see how you could possibly have taken it
personally, but then, even at my age people continue to surprise me with
the weird ways they have to create insult where none was intended.
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Old 02-14-2011, 07:00 PM
Patrick O'Callaghan
 
Default Broadcom Wireless on Fedora 14 (was users Digest, Vol 84, Issue 33)

On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 20:38 +0000, Anne Wilson wrote:
> Why is it that some people on this list think it clever to publicly
> humiliate? Gentle reminders off-list are so much more effective.

If the idea was to humiliate, I wouldn't have used a euphemism.

Aside from that, whether private communications on this sort of thing
are more or less effective is an open question. One fires off one's
comment and hopes for the best. Doing it publicly means it acts as a
reminder to other people as well, which may or may not be useful in the
grand scheme of things.

poc

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Old 02-15-2011, 08:37 AM
Anne Wilson
 
Default Broadcom Wireless on Fedora 14 (was users Digest, Vol 84, Issue 33)

On Monday 14 February 2011 19:05:36 Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/11/2011 12:38 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Why is it that some people on this list think it clever to publicly
> > humiliate? Gentle reminders off-list are so much more effective.
>
> The story wasn't meant to humiliate or otherwise chastise the OP; it was
> just a story about a badly-configured mailing list that I thought might
> be interesting. In fact, unless you're administering a list that does
> things like that, I can't see how you could possibly have taken it
> personally, but then, even at my age people continue to surprise me with
> the weird ways they have to create insult where none was intended.

My comment was not aimed at you or your post, but at a general tone that seems
to be too prevalent these days. It is right and proper to correct people that
don't understand netiquette, but IMO it should be done in private.

I'm sorry that it appeared to be personal, but that's one problem with
threading - you have to attach to something, and it tends to be the last
message in the thread that catches it when such a general comment is made.
Since your story was not part of the practice I'm complaining about I
apologise to you.

Anne
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:21 PM
Joe Zeff
 
Default Broadcom Wireless on Fedora 14 (was users Digest, Vol 84, Issue 33)

On 02/15/2011 01:37 AM, Anne Wilson wrote:
> I'm sorry that it appeared to be personal, but that's one problem with
> threading - you have to attach to something, and it tends to be the last
> message in the thread that catches it when such a general comment is made.
> Since your story was not part of the practice I'm complaining about I
> apologise to you.

Not a problem, as I didn't take it personally. I just wanted to make
sure you understood that I didn't mean my story to chastise. And, a
polite, friendly pointing out of proper nettiquete on the list can often
prevent others from messing up.
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