On 01/13/2011 02:06 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> What do you have?

Thunderbird. If possible, I'd like to have a KISS solution as it's just
for home use.
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On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 14:17 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 01/13/2011 01:29 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > If you're interested in spam filtering for email clients (rather than
> > servers) you may find Bogofilter easier to handle. I find it works very
> > well with Evolution.
>
> How does either of them work with Thunderbird?

My understanding is that TBird has its own built-in spam filtering
mechanism. You just have to configure it. The few times I've used TBird
it seemed to work OK, though as with all spam filters you have to train
it.

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On 01/13/2011 05:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 01/13/2011 02:06 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
>> What do you have?
>
> Thunderbird. If possible, I'd like to have a KISS solution as it's just
> for home use.

You still didn't mention if you have control of your MDA or if
Thunderbird is POPing or IMAPin email from elsewhere....

I too use Thunderbird to read my email, but from a local mail store (or,
at least a local IMAP server, where I put it when its delivered).
SpamAssassin either rejects the email the email in the MTA (sendmail),
or marks it as SPAM in the MDA (procmail, using SpamAssassin's SPAM
level). Thunderbird can then act upon the "marking" and separate it
(along with its Bayesian filtering) into Junk folders for you. Based on
SpamAssassin's "level", you can configure it to reject email in the MTA
(the most definite SPAM), or pass it along marked as possible SPAM for
further processing by further software, Thunderbird included.

If you don't have access to your MTA or MDA, you may not be able to use
SpamAssassin unless you can fit it into your MUA (in your case,
Thunderbird). I don't think it fits directly into Thunderbird (though I
could be wrong, and often am). Have you checked Thunderbird AddOns to
see if there is a SpamAssassin AddOn? (I haven't.)

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On 01/13/2011 02:55 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> You still didn't mention if you have control of your MDA or if
> Thunderbird is POPing or IMAPin email from elsewhere....

POP3.
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On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 16:59 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 12:44 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 01/13/2011 12:31 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > > But I'll study the documentation,
> > > and see if I can get to the bottom of it.
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, what email client are you using? I ask because
> > I'd like to get spamassassin working but I don't know how to integrate
> > it with what I have.
>
> If you're interested in spam filtering for email clients (rather than
> servers) you may find Bogofilter easier to handle. I find it works very
> well with Evolution.
>
> poc
>

I find Spamassassin also works well with Evolution and very little
hassle if you understand the file user_prefs and install the
evolution-spamassassin plugin.
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On 01/13/2011 06:01 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 01/13/2011 02:55 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
>> You still didn't mention if you have control of your MDA or if
>> Thunderbird is POPing or IMAPin email from elsewhere....
>
> POP3.

You could try using fetchmail to POP your email to a local store
(fetchmail will inject it into a local sendmail for local delivery),
then you could easily hook in SpamAssassin where you want it.
(Configuring a local sendmail server just for your POP3 email doesn't
sound very KISS tho.)

After your last reply, I went to look at Thunderbird AddOns. While I
didn't see one specifically for SpamAssassin, there are a couple of
AddOns to supplement/replace Thunderbird's own Bayesian filters (one of
them claims to be better than SpamAssssin, but that may just be a
marketing ploy). If so, it might be possible to hook into Spamssassin
somehow. How? I don't know. I'll leave that for someone who's worked
with Thunderbird's AddOns before....

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Blake Hudson wrote:

>> Thanks very much for your response, which helps greatly.
>>
>> I see that these messages lose a lot of points because
>> 3.2 FH_DATE_PAST_20XX The date is grossly in the future
>> Not quite sure how that happened.

> There was an error with the regex matching within this rule that made it
> break in 2010. It has since been fixed. Update spamassassin - either RPM
> or using sa-update.

Thanks very much.

Now I have to confess that the server involved is running Centos-5.5,
not Fedora.
(I wrote to this list because I get much better answers here!)

I don't see anything wrong with the spamassassin package
(spamassassin-3.2.5-1.el5) from which spamd came.
But I've added
score FH_DATE_PAST_20XX 0
to ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs .

Hopefully that should do the trick;
but I'll continue investigating what is happening.


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On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 17:06 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > If you're interested in spam filtering for email clients (rather
> than
> > servers) you may find Bogofilter easier to handle. I find it works
> very
> > well with Evolution.
> >
> > poc
> >
>
> I find Spamassassin also works well with Evolution and very little
> hassle if you understand the file user_prefs and install the
> evolution-spamassassin plugin.

That may be true now. It didn't used to be true several versions of Evo
ago. One problem was that after a few sessions of Evo I'd find multiple
copies of spamd hanging around. That's why I installed Bogofilter, which
doesn't try to act as a daemon.

My mail service runs SA and it's very effective as it integrates well
with Postfix. There's no reason you can't run it for your MUA, it's just
that IMHO BF is simpler to administer.

poc

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Joe Zeff wrote:

> Just out of curiosity, what email client are you using? I ask because
> I'd like to get spamassassin working but I don't know how to integrate
> it with what I have.

I'm running dovecot, an IMAP server, on my desktop;
then I'm using kmail on my laptop to read the mail.

I'm not sure if this is the right way to do things,
but in ~/.procmailrc on the server I have
---------------------------------
:0fw:spamassassin.lock
* < 256000
| /usr/bin/spamc

:0:
* ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
/home/tim/Maildir/.Spam/new
---------------------------------

Then when I run "sudo service spamassassin restart"
spamd starts running.
This sets the X-Spam-Status for each email item;
and the entry in .procmailrc above
move spam mail to the directory shown.

Then I have an entry sa-learn in /etc/cron.daily
---------------------------------
#!/bin/sh

/usr/bin/sa-learn --spam /home/tim/Maildir/.Spam/cur
/bin/rm -f /home/tim/Maildir/.Spam/cur/*
---------------------------------
which runs sa-learn on the spam I've saved,
and then deletes it.

As I said, I'm not sure if this is the right way to go about it.


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On 01/13/2011 09:38 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

> Then I have an entry sa-learn in /etc/cron.daily
> ---------------------------------
> #!/bin/sh
>
> /usr/bin/sa-learn --spam /home/tim/Maildir/.Spam/cur
> /bin/rm -f /home/tim/Maildir/.Spam/cur/*
> ---------------------------------
> which runs sa-learn on the spam I've saved,
> and then deletes it.
>
> As I said, I'm not sure if this is the right way to go about it.
>
>


Its great to use procmail - however if spamassasin has tagged
something as spam - there is no point in running sa-learn --spam on the
what SA has already identified as spam - only use it on things it missed.

Perhaps you put more spam in there than what SA does?

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