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Old 01-31-2008, 10:21 PM
"Dave Burns"
 
Default alternatives to Dell Optiplex 320 mini-tower

A few months ago, I tried to install fedora on a Dell Optiplex 320
mini-tower. After some problems and googling, I found out that this
model's bios, graphics setup, and(something else I forgot) seem to
resist mightily the idea of running fedora. People seemed to have
problems getting grub running and the SATA disk in that model doesn't
like LVM. This guy
(http://wirelessness.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/installing-fedora-linux-on-a-dell-optiplex-320/)
claims to have gotten fc6 running on a 320, after 19 hours of
tweaking. I tried following his advice, but didn't get far.

Now I am wondering whether anyone on the list can suggest either a
comparable PC from Dell that will not be so annoying, or perhaps the
whole issue has become moot since then (fc8?) and I should try again?
The workstation 490s have given me no trouble, but they cost more.

By the way, knoppix runs fine on the 320 - what's up with that?

Dave

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Old 01-31-2008, 10:48 PM
Craig White
 
Default alternatives to Dell Optiplex 320 mini-tower

On Thu, 2008-01-31 at 13:21 -1000, Dave Burns wrote:
> A few months ago, I tried to install fedora on a Dell Optiplex 320
> mini-tower. After some problems and googling, I found out that this
> model's bios, graphics setup, and(something else I forgot) seem to
> resist mightily the idea of running fedora. People seemed to have
> problems getting grub running and the SATA disk in that model doesn't
> like LVM. This guy
> (http://wirelessness.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/installing-fedora-linux-on-a-dell-optiplex-320/)
> claims to have gotten fc6 running on a 320, after 19 hours of
> tweaking. I tried following his advice, but didn't get far.
>
> Now I am wondering whether anyone on the list can suggest either a
> comparable PC from Dell that will not be so annoying, or perhaps the
> whole issue has become moot since then (fc8?) and I should try again?
> The workstation 490s have given me no trouble, but they cost more.
>
> By the way, knoppix runs fine on the 320 - what's up with that?
----
I've got several bugzilla entries on that specific topic.

This is all about kernel support for various hardware and though I had
no real issues with FC6, Fedora 7 and Fedora 8 brought new issues.

The Knoppix or whatever isn't likely to work with the newer kernels.

Basically, with FC7, it should work with x86_64 without any futzing,
i386 does require a dance but I have forgotten what it was.

With FC8, you need to add the following to boot it with x86_64...
pci=noacpi clocksource=acpi_pm

see...
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=219715
and
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379201

Craig

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Old 01-31-2008, 10:59 PM
Ian Burrell
 
Default alternatives to Dell Optiplex 320 mini-tower

Dave Burns <tburns <at> hawaii.edu> writes:

>
> A few months ago, I tried to install fedora on a Dell Optiplex 320
> mini-tower. After some problems and googling, I found out that this
> model's bios, graphics setup, and(something else I forgot) seem to
> resist mightily the idea of running fedora. People seemed to have
> problems getting grub running and the SATA disk in that model doesn't
> like LVM. This guy
>
(http://wirelessness.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/installing-fedora-linux-on-a-dell-optiplex-320/)
> claims to have gotten fc6 running on a 320, after 19 hours of
> tweaking. I tried following his advice, but didn't get far.
>

I am running Fedora 8 on an Optiplex 320 and have been since Fedora 6 or so.
The first big problem was getting the installer to recognize the SATA drive.
Back in Fedora 6, it needed the "pci=nomsi" option added to the kernel boot
line. With Fedora 8, that problem has been fixed. It needs
"clocksource=acpi_pm" to boot.

The next big problem is that GRUB does not work with the BIOS. Even with the
most recent version of the BIOS. It hangs while booting. The only solution I
have found is to use LILO. I installed the lilo rpm from Centos 4. Lilo works
fine and the kernel updating works.

> Now I am wondering whether anyone on the list can suggest either a
> comparable PC from Dell that will not be so annoying, or perhaps the
> whole issue has become moot since then (fc8?) and I should try again?
> The workstation 490s have given me no trouble, but they cost more.
>

I haven't heard of people having the GRUB issue with the Optiplex 740 and 755.

> By the way, knoppix runs fine on the 320 - what's up with that?
>

Knoppix doesn't use Grub. I think the SATA support is broken but that isn't
immediately noticeable with a LiveCD.

- Ian


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