Beartooth:

I have seen a lot of emails saying there were issues with FC13...I am
running FC13 - 64bit under Virtualbox on Windows 7/64bit without any
problems.
Maybe you should open up a problem with the Fedora support people. I also
don't know aht kind of hardware you run. I have working OPSYS for 40+ years
and have seen a lot,
Not everything, but hardware can definitely cause issues. I had one with a
video card and fedora many moons ago. If I can help let me know.




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[mailto:users-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Beartooth
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:22 AM
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: How to get f 12 -- *t*w*e*l*v*e*, twelve???

On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:58:31 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
[...]
> I don't know what your issues with F13 are. It works well on all of
> my machines--some of which are fairly esoteric. I did have some
> issues if I upgraded to F13 instead of doing a fresh install.

It's one of those fuzzy boundary things, almost certainly at least
99 44/100% my error -- and not reproducible (nor deducible, despite having
occurred three times, alas!).

I've asked repeatedly, in several places, starting here on this
list: no response. I tried both the LUGs I follow; nobody on either had seen
it. If it was (or is) on Gnome's on RedHat's bugzilla, I missed it.

Concluding it was some aberration of mine, I started trying things,
especially "yum update" and "yum remove" followed (after taking note of
other things being removed) by "yum install."

Last of all, as I mentioned in my first post, I tried preupgrade.
So now I propose to wipe the offending machines, or at least tell anaconda
to use all space -- and start over with F 12, which has never had the
problem, reconfigure it, and try preupgrade again (or else a fresh install
of F 14 next month).

On an affected machine the most conspicuous symptom (to me, at
least) is that I can't use the workspace switcher.

> If you must feel you have to fetch F12 and reinstall, here's one
> mirror of the CD and DVD ISO images:
>
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/12/Fedora/x86_64/iso/
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/12/Fedora/i386/iso/
>
> Just wget whatever ISOs you need. Updates should be available at all
> the mirror sites still (until F12 goes EOL), but if you need one spot:
>
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/updates/12/x86_64/
> http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/updates/12/i386/
>
> F12 will go EOL pretty soon, so you really should sort this out.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -

My heartfelt thanks to all! I've downloaded F12 from two of the
sources posted here, and am burning DVDs as I type.

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Beartooth <beartooth <at> comcast.net> writes:

> ...
> How do override it? I've *got* 13 on most machines, and regret it
> all day, every day. I ever tried preupgrade to F 14 beta -- in vain. It
> preserved the misery I'm trying to escape.

You have to be more specific what your problems are with F13 - tell us and we
will try to fix them. Otherwise you may appear to be trolling :-)

I just successfully preupgraded my F13 to F14-beta and it works nicely (even if
I see some problems underneath; they are being fixed as we speak).

>
> All can see left is to revert to 12,

No. You will waste your time ...

> machine and install 12 from scratch; make sure it's right; and preupgrade
> to F 14 in November. But I seem to have deleted both my F12 ISO and the
> DVD I had burned of it.

... if you want to upgrade it to F14-final anyway in a month.

JB


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On 10/06/2010 08:21 AM, Beartooth wrote:
> On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 14:58:31 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> [...]
>> I don't know what your issues with F13 are. It works well on all of my
>> machines--some of which are fairly esoteric. I did have some issues if
>> I upgraded to F13 instead of doing a fresh install.
>
> It's one of those fuzzy boundary things, almost certainly at
> least 99 44/100% my error -- and not reproducible (nor deducible, despite
> having occurred three times, alas!).
>
> I've asked repeatedly, in several places, starting here on this
> list: no response. I tried both the LUGs I follow; nobody on either had
> seen it. If it was (or is) on Gnome's on RedHat's bugzilla, I missed it.
>
> Concluding it was some aberration of mine, I started trying
> things, especially "yum update" and "yum remove" followed (after taking
> note of other things being removed) by "yum install."
>
> Last of all, as I mentioned in my first post, I tried preupgrade.
> So now I propose to wipe the offending machines, or at least tell
> anaconda to use all space -- and start over with F 12, which has never
> had the problem, reconfigure it, and try preupgrade again (or else a
> fresh install of F 14 next month).
>
> On an affected machine the most conspicuous symptom (to me, at
> least) is that I can't use the workspace switcher.

Uh, can't use it or it doesn't appear at all? I would have suggested
a reinstall of the "GNOME Desktop Environment", but yum doesn't have
a "groupreinstall". Dang!

> My heartfelt thanks to all! I've downloaded F12 from two of the
> sources posted here, and am burning DVDs as I type.

Glad to help (if I did).
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Beartooth wrote:
>
> Every download site I've tried -- several, especially
> fedoraproject ones -- comes up on a search for F12, but the minute I
> click on a link, it sneaks in F13.
>
> This is offensive.
>
> How do override it? I've *got* 13 on most machines, and regret it
> all day, every day. I ever tried preupgrade to F 14 beta -- in vain. It
> preserved the misery I'm trying to escape.
>
The only two real problems I have seen with FC13 are video (if you have Intel,
ATI or Nvidea other than the latest use vendor drivers or vesa mode), and the
endlessly denied bug involving trying to use the network after suspend before
the network is restarted. Removal of NetworkMangler and custom network scripts
will fix that.

> All can see left is to revert to 12, if I have to DBAN each
> machine and install 12 from scratch; make sure it's right; and preupgrade
> to F 14 in November. But I seem to have deleted both my F12 ISO and the
> DVD I had burned of it.
>
I have had much better luck doing an upgrade after booting an FC13 install DVD.
I'm 5 of 6 for that, 1 of 3 for preupgrade. In general a reinstall is better,
and setting up to allow that during initial install makes that fairly painless.

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the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot

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On 8 October 2010 00:07, Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> wrote:
> Beartooth wrote:
>>
>> * * * Every download site I've tried -- several, especially
>> fedoraproject ones -- comes up on a search for F12, but the minute I
>> click on a link, it sneaks in F13.
>>
>> * * * This is offensive.
>>
>> * * * How do override it? I've *got* 13 on most machines, and regret it
>> all day, every day. I ever tried preupgrade to F 14 beta -- in vain. It
>> preserved the misery I'm trying to escape.
>>
> The only two real problems I have seen with FC13 are video (if you have Intel,
> ATI or Nvidea other than the latest use vendor drivers or vesa mode), and the
> endlessly denied bug involving trying to use the network after suspend before
> the network is restarted. Removal of NetworkMangler and custom network scripts
> will fix that.
>
>> * * * All *can see left is to revert to 12, if I have to DBAN each
>> machine and install 12 from scratch; make sure it's right; and preupgrade
>> to F 14 in November. But I seem to have deleted both my F12 ISO and the
>> DVD I had burned of it.
>>
> I have had much better luck doing an upgrade after booting an FC13 install DVD.
> I'm 5 of 6 for that, 1 of 3 for preupgrade. In general a reinstall is better,
> and setting up to allow that during initial install makes that fairly painless.

I had a bunch of related problems with F13 - no events were generated
when the laptop lid was closed, so it didn't sleep or lock,
logout/shutdown would hang. Despite some help from this list, the only
fix I found was to install the latest F12 kernel and use that instead.
If your problems have the same cause, then installing an old kernel
will be much less effort than installing an old fedora. Of course
it'll run into the same 'obsolete' problem in a month or so time...

Regards,

Chris
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Hi,

Fedora 12 can be downloaded from the following location.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/

Very Old Versions
http://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/

Fedora 13 has moved to "free desktop"
(http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/). If you can mention the exact
problems, probably we can help you out

Thanks
Viji

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Chris Rouch <chris.rouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8 October 2010 00:07, Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com> wrote:
>> Beartooth wrote:
>>>
>>> * * * Every download site I've tried -- several, especially
>>> fedoraproject ones -- comes up on a search for F12, but the minute I
>>> click on a link, it sneaks in F13.
>>>
>>> * * * This is offensive.
>>>
>>> * * * How do override it? I've *got* 13 on most machines, and regret it
>>> all day, every day. I ever tried preupgrade to F 14 beta -- in vain. It
>>> preserved the misery I'm trying to escape.
>>>
>> The only two real problems I have seen with FC13 are video (if you have Intel,
>> ATI or Nvidea other than the latest use vendor drivers or vesa mode), and the
>> endlessly denied bug involving trying to use the network after suspend before
>> the network is restarted. Removal of NetworkMangler and custom network scripts
>> will fix that.
>>
>>> * * * All *can see left is to revert to 12, if I have to DBAN each
>>> machine and install 12 from scratch; make sure it's right; and preupgrade
>>> to F 14 in November. But I seem to have deleted both my F12 ISO and the
>>> DVD I had burned of it.
>>>
>> I have had much better luck doing an upgrade after booting an FC13 install DVD.
>> I'm 5 of 6 for that, 1 of 3 for preupgrade. In general a reinstall is better,
>> and setting up to allow that during initial install makes that fairly painless.
>
> I had a bunch of related problems with F13 - no events were generated
> when the laptop lid was closed, so it didn't sleep or lock,
> logout/shutdown would hang. Despite some help from this list, the only
> fix I found was to install the latest F12 kernel and use that instead.
> If your problems have the same cause, then installing an old kernel
> will be much less effort than installing an old fedora. Of course
> it'll run into the same 'obsolete' problem in a month or so time...
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris
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