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Old 01-18-2008, 07:34 PM
Rex Dieter
 
Default How do i use gnome-keyring without a password prompt? (not gdm pam)

Mark wrote:

> I just got the keyring stuff working with gdm pam thanks to this link [1].
> But now i'm wondering if it's possible to have the keyring manager but
> without the password prompt. or even better, without any password at
> all! So is that possible?

afaik, no.

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Old 01-18-2008, 08:44 PM
Matthew Saltzman
 
Default How do i use gnome-keyring without a password prompt? (not gdm pam)

On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:34 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>
> > I just got the keyring stuff working with gdm pam thanks to this link [1].
> > But now i'm wondering if it's possible to have the keyring manager but
> > without the password prompt. or even better, without any password at
> > all! So is that possible?
>
> afaik, no.

gnome_keyring_pam is supposed to do this, but it's not working. There's
a post in the archives about configuring it so it does work, but I
hadn't had a chance to try it.

The idea is, if you use your login password as your keyring password,
you won't be prompted.

Why would you want no password?

>
> -- Rex
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>
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Old 01-19-2008, 06:01 PM
Mark
 
Default How do i use gnome-keyring without a password prompt? (not gdm pam)

2008/1/18, Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu>:
>
> On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:34 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Mark wrote:
> >
> > > I just got the keyring stuff working with gdm pam thanks to this link [1].
> > > But now i'm wondering if it's possible to have the keyring manager but
> > > without the password prompt. or even better, without any password at
> > > all! So is that possible?
> >
> > afaik, no.
>
> gnome_keyring_pam is supposed to do this, but it's not working. There's
> a post in the archives about configuring it so it does work, but I
> hadn't had a chance to try it.
>
> The idea is, if you use your login password as your keyring password,
> you won't be prompted.
>
> Why would you want no password?

Well i'm the only user on this machine and i simply don't want to get
prompted for a keyring password and i find it close to useless to have
a password for it anyway.

I simply don't want to get prompted about any password prompts other
than the login one and the root password. all other password prompts
(as far as i can think of) are pointless.

In my case the keyring-manager is only being used for NetworkManager
to make a wireless network connection.

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Old 01-19-2008, 07:20 PM
Matthew Saltzman
 
Default How do i use gnome-keyring without a password prompt? (not gdm pam)

On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 20:01 +0100, Mark wrote:
> 2008/1/18, Matthew Saltzman <mjs@clemson.edu>:
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-01-18 at 14:34 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote:
> > > Mark wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just got the keyring stuff working with gdm pam thanks to this link [1].
> > > > But now i'm wondering if it's possible to have the keyring manager but
> > > > without the password prompt. or even better, without any password at
> > > > all! So is that possible?
> > >
> > > afaik, no.
> >
> > gnome_keyring_pam is supposed to do this, but it's not working. There's
> > a post in the archives about configuring it so it does work, but I
> > hadn't had a chance to try it.
> >
> > The idea is, if you use your login password as your keyring password,
> > you won't be prompted.
> >
> > Why would you want no password?
>
> Well i'm the only user on this machine and i simply don't want to get
> prompted for a keyring password and i find it close to useless to have
> a password for it anyway.
>
> I simply don't want to get prompted about any password prompts other
> than the login one and the root password. all other password prompts
> (as far as i can think of) are pointless.
>
> In my case the keyring-manager is only being used for NetworkManager
> to make a wireless network connection.

I understand not wanting to be prompted. The fact that this hasn't been
fixed (and is a regression from pam_keyring in F7) is a minor annoyance,
but I agree it's an annoyance.

But that's different from not wanting a password at all. Most GNOME
apps that manage passwords (e.g., Evolution) seem to be moving to using
the keyring. When more valuable keys are saved there, it doesn't seem
unreasonable to protect them even on a machine that you think is fairly
secure.


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Old 01-19-2008, 09:01 PM
Mark
 
Default How do i use gnome-keyring without a password prompt? (not gdm pam)

> > Well i'm the only user on this machine and i simply don't want to get
> > prompted for a keyring password and i find it close to useless to have
> > a password for it anyway.
> >
> > I simply don't want to get prompted about any password prompts other
> > than the login one and the root password. all other password prompts
> > (as far as i can think of) are pointless.
> >
> > In my case the keyring-manager is only being used for NetworkManager
> > to make a wireless network connection.
>
> I understand not wanting to be prompted. The fact that this hasn't been
> fixed (and is a regression from pam_keyring in F7) is a minor annoyance,
> but I agree it's an annoyance.
>
> But that's different from not wanting a password at all. Most GNOME
> apps that manage passwords (e.g., Evolution) seem to be moving to using
> the keyring. When more valuable keys are saved there, it doesn't seem
> unreasonable to protect them even on a machine that you think is fairly
> secure.

I agree that the usage of a "keyring" can be handy at times but the
password manager (gnome keyring) should have the option to just work
without a password prompt at all!

Lets take windows as a example in this case. when i make a wireless
connection the first time i have to fill in a password for that
connection (assuming it's password protected) but when i
reboot/disconnect/whatever so that it needs to connect again it's not
asking for the password at all and just connects. That behavior is
what i would like gnome-keyring to have as well.

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Old 01-19-2008, 09:53 PM
Matthew Saltzman
 
Default How do i use gnome-keyring without a password prompt? (not gdm pam)

On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 23:01 +0100, Mark wrote:
> > > Well i'm the only user on this machine and i simply don't want to get
> > > prompted for a keyring password and i find it close to useless to have
> > > a password for it anyway.
> > >
> > > I simply don't want to get prompted about any password prompts other
> > > than the login one and the root password. all other password prompts
> > > (as far as i can think of) are pointless.
> > >
> > > In my case the keyring-manager is only being used for NetworkManager
> > > to make a wireless network connection.
> >
> > I understand not wanting to be prompted. The fact that this hasn't been
> > fixed (and is a regression from pam_keyring in F7) is a minor annoyance,
> > but I agree it's an annoyance.
> >
> > But that's different from not wanting a password at all. Most GNOME
> > apps that manage passwords (e.g., Evolution) seem to be moving to using
> > the keyring. When more valuable keys are saved there, it doesn't seem
> > unreasonable to protect them even on a machine that you think is fairly
> > secure.
>
> I agree that the usage of a "keyring" can be handy at times but the
> password manager (gnome keyring) should have the option to just work
> without a password prompt at all!
>
> Lets take windows as a example in this case. when i make a wireless
> connection the first time i have to fill in a password for that
> connection (assuming it's password protected) but when i
> reboot/disconnect/whatever so that it needs to connect again it's not
> asking for the password at all and just connects. That behavior is
> what i would like gnome-keyring to have as well.

As I said earlier in the thread (since snipped):

$ rpm -qi gnome-keyring-pam
Name : gnome-keyring-pam Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version : 2.20.2 Vendor: Fedora Project
Release : 1.fc8 Build Date: Mon 26 Nov 2007 09:59:24 PM EST
Install Date: Fri 07 Dec 2007 02:58:38 PM EST Build Host: hammer2.fedora.redhat.com
Group : Development/Libraries Source RPM: gnome-keyring-2.20.2-1.fc8.src.rpm
Size : 28760 License: LGPLv2+
Signature : DSA/SHA1, Tue 04 Dec 2007 04:53:11 PM EST, Key ID b44269d04f2a6fd2
Packager : Fedora Project
URL : http://www.gnome.org
Summary : A pam module for unlocking keyrings at login time
Description :
The gnome-keyring-pam package contains a pam module that can
automatically unlock the "login" keyring when the user logs in
and start the keyring daemon.

But it's not working yet.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=356931
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=250147
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=312531


You could also try pam_keyring. That worked in F7, but is supposed to
have been superseded by gnome-keyring-pam in F8.


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