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Old 07-07-2010, 05:43 AM
Joel Rees
 
Default Making things easier for lurkers (was Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from the
headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading with a
little extra copy/paste. If your MUA doesn't provide a way to set
arbitrary headers, though, that won't work after all.

I'm thinking it would be nice to have the html archives set up so
that, if you've logged in (as you do to change your mail settings),
you could click a link in the post and the list server would ship you
a copy of the post you're looking at, with all the addresses clipped,
and the original sender replaced with the list address, and the
message-ID intact for threading.

That could help resolve the discussion about setting the return
address to the list, as well.

I suppose I should cobble together some sort of demo.

(I have a more involved idea about a mailing list server that hides
the participants' addresses entirely, substituting list-use-only
addresses, but I'm having a hard time even describing that to myself.)

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Old 07-07-2010, 01:49 PM
Todd Zullinger
 
Default Making things easier for lurkers (was Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

Joel Rees wrote:
> Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from the
> headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading with a
> little extra copy/paste. If your MUA doesn't provide a way to set
> arbitrary headers, though, that won't work after all.

If you use the MIME-style digest instead of the plain text version,
you don't have to worry about extracting the message-id and inserting
it into your MUA. You'll simply get a digest that contains a series
of rfc822 message parts. Most MUA's should be able to reply directly
to any of these parts and the threading will remain intact.

> I'm thinking it would be nice to have the html archives set up so
> that, if you've logged in (as you do to change your mail settings),
> you could click a link in the post and the list server would ship
> you a copy of the post you're looking at, with all the addresses
> clipped, and the original sender replaced with the list address, and
> the message-ID intact for threading.
>
> That could help resolve the discussion about setting the return
> address to the list, as well.
>
> I suppose I should cobble together some sort of demo.

The main issue here is that unless you get this included in upstream
Mailman or create a drop-in replacement for the Mailman archiver, it's
not likely that it will be installed on lists.fedoraproject.org.
We're not very keen on running patched up versions of our tools unless
it is absolutely necessary. It makes updating in the event of a
security or other critical bug more painful than it needs to be.

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Old 07-07-2010, 05:06 PM
"Darr"
 
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On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @ 05:43 zulu, Joel Rees scribed:

> Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from
> the headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading
> with a little extra copy/paste. If your MUA doesn't provide a
> way to set arbitrary headers, though, that won't work after all.

The digest should include all the messages as attachments, and
replying to the opened message should put its message-ID in
the "In-Reply-To:" header so threading works correctly (in
IMAP or in the web-archived version).

I learned that not long ago in this very mailing list, by the way. :-)

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