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Old 07-02-2010, 09:01 PM
Tom Horsley
 
Default k3b, wodim, or what?

I sometimes backup some data files to dual layer DVD using
k3b. On fedora 13, I notice that k3b seems to try and use wodim
by default to do this. On previous versions it used growisofs.

After burning a few coasters and doing much google searching,
I finally noticed the option in the burn dialog for selecting
the app to use, told it to use growisofs, and it burned the
dual layer DVD with no problem using the same media wodim always
failed on after writing about 1 gig.

So, if I should report this as a bug, what should it be
a bug against? K3b or wodim? Is wodim supposed to be
able to write dual layer DVDs?
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Old 07-02-2010, 09:47 PM
Antonio Olivares
 
Default k3b, wodim, or what?

--- On Fri, 7/2/10, Tom Horsley <horsley1953@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Horsley <horsley1953@gmail.com>
> Subject: k3b, wodim, or what?
> To: "Fedora List" <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 2:01 PM
> I sometimes backup some data files to
> dual layer DVD using
> k3b. On fedora 13, I notice that k3b seems to try and use
> wodim
> by default to do this. On previous versions it used
> growisofs.
>
> After burning a few coasters and doing much google
> searching,
> I finally noticed the option in the burn dialog for
> selecting
> the app to use, told it to use growisofs, and it burned
> the
> dual layer DVD with no problem using the same media wodim
> always
> failed on after writing about 1 gig.
>
> So, if I should report this as a bug, what should it be
> a bug against? K3b or wodim? Is wodim supposed to be
> able to write dual layer DVDs?
Don't know, but the real cdrecord does burn to dvds even Blue Ray Media, but this not part of the question, right?
> --

File it against k3b.

Why?
Like you have said, it used growisofs at one point. Now it wants to use wodim, why does it want to change behavior.

BTW,
k3b-2.0.0 has been released. Maybe there Rex, Kevin, and other KDE devlopers can include the fix?

Regards,

Antonio



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Old 07-02-2010, 10:41 PM
Tom Horsley
 
Default k3b, wodim, or what?

> File it against k3b.

I guess that makes sense, folks can always change the component
if they decide it belongs somewhere else. For what it is worth,
here's the bug:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=610976

> Why?
> Like you have said, it used growisofs at one point. Now it wants to use wodim, why does it want to change behavior.

Maybe wodim now claims to support dual layer, and k3b believed the claims? :-).

I actually did get a verbatim dual layer disk to work with
wodim, but it decided it had to write it at 2.4X even though
the media is 8X. The TDK media I have won't work at all though
(but works fine even at 8X with growisofs).
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Old 07-02-2010, 10:50 PM
Patrick O'Callaghan
 
Default k3b, wodim, or what?

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 17:01 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I sometimes backup some data files to dual layer DVD using
> k3b. On fedora 13, I notice that k3b seems to try and use wodim
> by default to do this. On previous versions it used growisofs.

I've had serious problems with growisofs recently, see
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=604459

AFAIK this bug is still open. It may be kernel-related, but for now I'm
staying away from growisofs as wodim works for me on the same hardware.

poc

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Old 07-09-2010, 08:56 PM
Jonathan Ryshpan
 
Default k3b, wodim, or what?

On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 18:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 17:01 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > I sometimes backup some data files to dual layer DVD using
> > k3b. On fedora 13, I notice that k3b seems to try and use wodim
> > by default to do this. On previous versions it used growisofs.
>
> I've had serious problems with growisofs recently, see
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=604459
>
> AFAIK this bug is still open. It may be kernel-related, but for now I'm
> staying away from growisofs as wodim works for me on the same hardware.

Joerg Schilling, author of cdrecord, claims on his website that Wodim
the fork of cdrecord, which has been substituted for cdrecord etc. on
Fedora and other distributions, is buggy, and that license problems,
which are the (putative) reason for the substitution are bogus.

What's the truth about this? In any case, details of the dispute and
the source for JS's cdrecord tools are available at:
http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
and
http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdr-faq.html
(I don't know which of the many versions of the source there is best.)

jon



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Old 07-09-2010, 09:12 PM
JD
 
Default k3b, wodim, or what?

On 07/09/2010 01:56 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 18:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 17:01 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
>>> I sometimes backup some data files to dual layer DVD using
>>> k3b. On fedora 13, I notice that k3b seems to try and use wodim
>>> by default to do this. On previous versions it used growisofs.
>> I've had serious problems with growisofs recently, see
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=604459
>>
>> AFAIK this bug is still open. It may be kernel-related, but for now I'm
>> staying away from growisofs as wodim works for me on the same hardware.
> Joerg Schilling, author of cdrecord, claims on his website that Wodim
> the fork of cdrecord, which has been substituted for cdrecord etc. on
> Fedora and other distributions, is buggy, and that license problems,
> which are the (putative) reason for the substitution are bogus.
>
> What's the truth about this? In any case, details of the dispute and
> the source for JS's cdrecord tools are available at:
> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
> and
> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdr-faq.html
> (I don't know which of the many versions of the source there is best.)
>
> jon
>
>
>
It does not take a brain sugeon to see that wodim was ripped from
Joerg's cdrecord.
And if Joerg had establish copyrights to it, then he deserves to keep
those copy
rights and not have his brainchild be distributed as something else, and
without
attribution.

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Old 07-09-2010, 09:26 PM
Craig White
 
Default k3b, wodim, or what?

On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 14:12 -0700, JD wrote:
> On 07/09/2010 01:56 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 18:20 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 17:01 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> >>> I sometimes backup some data files to dual layer DVD using
> >>> k3b. On fedora 13, I notice that k3b seems to try and use wodim
> >>> by default to do this. On previous versions it used growisofs.
> >> I've had serious problems with growisofs recently, see
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=604459
> >>
> >> AFAIK this bug is still open. It may be kernel-related, but for now I'm
> >> staying away from growisofs as wodim works for me on the same hardware.
> > Joerg Schilling, author of cdrecord, claims on his website that Wodim
> > the fork of cdrecord, which has been substituted for cdrecord etc. on
> > Fedora and other distributions, is buggy, and that license problems,
> > which are the (putative) reason for the substitution are bogus.
> >
> > What's the truth about this? In any case, details of the dispute and
> > the source for JS's cdrecord tools are available at:
> > http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
> > and
> > http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdr-faq.html
> > (I don't know which of the many versions of the source there is best.)
> >
> > jon
> >
> >
> >
> It does not take a brain sugeon to see that wodim was ripped from
> Joerg's cdrecord.
> And if Joerg had establish copyrights to it, then he deserves to keep
> those copy
> rights and not have his brainchild be distributed as something else, and
> without
> attribution.
----
which part of GPL license gives you the most trouble?

Craig


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Old 07-09-2010, 09:52 PM
Patrick O'Callaghan
 
Default k3b, wodim, or what?

On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 14:12 -0700, JD wrote:
> It does not take a brain sugeon to see that wodim was ripped from
> Joerg's cdrecord.

>From the wodim man page:

This application is derived from "cdrecord" as included in the cdrtools package [1] created by Joerg
Schilling, who deserves most of the credit for its success. However, he is not involved into the develop-
ment of this spinoff and therefore he shall not be held responsible for any problems caused by it. Do not
refer to this application as "cdrecord", do not try to get support for wodim by contacting the original
authors.

So no, it doesn't require a brain surgeon, just careful reading of the
docs.

poc

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