The Monday 28 July 2008 15:45:56 Arvind Marathe, you wrote*:
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe
(bahuroopi@gmail.com) wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post?
> > >
> > > No i'm not.
> >
> > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this
> > line in your headers:
> >
> > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <bahuroopi@gmail.com>,
> > debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt
> before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not
> have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a
> file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user".
> I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to
> having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line,
> and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that
> problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> Arvind
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It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this
email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so
you made the good manipulation.
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07-28-2008, 01:58 PM
Bob Cox
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 19:15:56 +0530, Arvind Marathe (bahuroopi@gmail.com) wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe (bahuroopi@gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post?
> > >
> > > No i'm not.
> >
> > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this
> > line in your headers:
> >
> > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <bahuroopi@gmail.com>,
> > debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt
> before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not
> have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a
> file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user".
> I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to
> having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line,
> and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that
> problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Yes, that has fixed it.
As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc
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07-28-2008, 02:01 PM
Andrei Popescu
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:46:47, Arvind Marathe wrote:
> > > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group
> > > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email
> > > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers.
> >
> > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending?
>
> No.
Well, this explains it all gmail hasn't seen the mail before so it
lets you have it.
Beware, if you use gmail also for sending you will definitely not
receive your own postings. I choose the other way, I use gmail for
sending and receive via my ISP's pop. This way I can use the gmail
address to post, as my ISP won't allow a different 'From:'.
I think (haven't tested) it might be possible to trick gmail by deleting
all trace of the sent message before it returns via the list. Whether
this is feasible or even possible (they might have a database with
mail-ids) I don't know.
Regards,
Andrei
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07-28-2008, 02:16 PM
Arvind Marathe
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 01:03:02PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon,28.Jul.08, 15:58:28, Arvind Marathe wrote:
>
> > Alright! I didn't specify particularly, but my own mails to the group
> > have the list headers. Only those mails which also had my email
> > address in the "To" or "Cc" fields did not have the list headers.
>
> Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending?
No.
>
> > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post?
> >
> > No i'm not. I am reporting what is happening at my side, and hope to
> > correct whatever is wrong with my spam filter (the other thread
> > "Procmail filters debian-user mails as spam"
> > ). I don't expect the world to adjust to compensate for the problems
> > of my spam filter.
>
> This has nothing to do with your spam filter. Check the settings in your
> .muttrc (see my other mail as well).
Corrected (I hope). See my other mail.
Arvind
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07-28-2008, 02:23 PM
Andrei Popescu
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 14:58:58, Bob Cox wrote:
> As a matter of interest I have both of these in my ~/.muttrc
>
> lists debian-user@lists.debian.org
> subscribe debian-user@lists.debian.org
>
> but no separate mailing-lists file.
That's irrelevant:
$ ls .mutt/*muttrc
alias_muttrc
bind_muttrc
color_muttrc
folders_muttrc
muttrc
You can have as many files as you like and with whatever name (I'm using
_muttrc scheme in order to take advantage on vim's syntax) as long as
you 'source' them in either ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/muttrc:
Regards,
Andrei
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07-28-2008, 02:28 PM
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Arvind Marathe wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote:
>
>> It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this
>> email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so
>> you made the good manipulation.
>>
>
> Thanks :-)
While you are at it, you might want to verify you timezone setting. The
date on your message indicates that it was sent 30 minutes in the
future. :-)
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07-28-2008, 02:31 PM
Andrei Popescu
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:10:42, Arvind Marathe wrote:
> > You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as
> > a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be
> > something that you did
>
> The education continues
Uhh, don't take my word for it. You should read more docs.
> Well i had
> my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <bahuroopi@gmail.com>
> in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should
> disappear now.
It did.
> Anything else?
Well, there is... just kidding
I don't know how others do it, but I generally tend to try to stick with
the defaults as much as possible. I trust Debian to generally have sane
defaults and when I want to change something I read about it and try to
make my own opinion. I could have copied a muttrc from the 'net (there
are plenty), but instead I have written my own and put in *a lot* of
comments, because months latter I might forget what a certain option is
good for.
Regards,
Andrei
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07-28-2008, 02:39 PM
Andrei Popescu
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 20:22:36, Arvind Marathe wrote:
> > > > Do you use smtp.gmail.com for sending?
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > Well, this explains it all gmail hasn't seen the mail before so it
> > lets you have it.
> >
> > Beware, if you use gmail also for sending you will definitely not
> > receive your own postings. I choose the other way, I use gmail for
> > sending and receive via my ISP's pop. This way I can use the gmail
> > address to post, as my ISP won't allow a different 'From:'.
>
> I think i understand what you are saying. Just for curiosity, would
> there be any advantage for me in having gmail for sending mail? I use
> a desktop, not a laptop, which will always be sitting at my workplace.
> I have configured exim right now to use my departments mail server as
> smarthost for outgoing mail. That works both for my gmail and my
> workplace mail. I don't know whether one can configure separate
> outgoing hosts for different profiles in mutt, and as i said above,
> whether there would be any advantage in doing that, in my case.
I was somewhat forced to use gmail for smtp because my ISP doesn't allow
sending mails with a 'From:' address not on their servers (and I don't
want to use that address).
For receiving I switched to my ISP's server because it was faster than
gmail.
Regards,
Andrei
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07-28-2008, 02:40 PM
Arvind Marathe
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 04:39:55PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon,28.Jul.08, 19:15:56, Arvind Marathe wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:52:49AM +0100, Bob Cox wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 15:58:28 +0530, Arvind Marathe (bahuroopi@gmail.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:28:30PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > P.S. You know you're asking for a Cc on every post?
> > > >
> > > > No i'm not.
> > >
> > > You are! I think what Andrei is referring to is being caused by this
> > > line in your headers:
> > >
> > > Mail-Followup-To: Arvind Marathe <bahuroopi@gmail.com>,
> > > debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >
> > Oh ok, i get it now. I hadn't done mailing list settings in mutt
> > before, so still not 100% sure where that is coming from. I do not
> > have a "subscribe debian-user" line in my .muttrc. What i have is a
> > file $HOME/.mutt/mailing-lists, which has the line "lists debian-user".
> > I was sourcing this file in my .muttrc. Perhaps that is equivalent to
> > having "subscribe debian-user" in .muttrc. I have commented that line,
> > and restarted mutt, so hopefully this mail should not have that
> > problem. Please let me know. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
> You still have a Reply-To: header and some clients might interpret it as
> a request for Cc. Mutt does not set it by default, so it must be
> something that you did
The education continues
Well i had
my_hdr Reply-To: Arvind Marathe <bahuroopi@gmail.com>
in my mutt profile for gmail. Commented now, so the Reply-To should
disappear now.
Anything else?
Arvind
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07-28-2008, 02:41 PM
Andrei Popescu
On Mon,28.Jul.08, 11:28:40, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote:
> Arvind Marathe wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:51:54PM +0200, Thomas Preud'homme wrote:
> >
> >> It doesn't set a CC anymore with this mail. I try a reply to list with this
> >> email and your previous one. The previous one set a CC but this one don't so
> >> you made the good manipulation.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks :-)
>
> While you are at it, you might want to verify you timezone setting. The
> date on your message indicates that it was sent 30 minutes in the
> future. :-)
Heh, I missed that one :P
Regards,
Andrei
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