On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 23:16:29 -0500, Ron Johnson (ron.l.johnson@cox.net) wrote:
> I'm certain that you *are* running a "complete mail package" and
> don't even know it! :O
>
> Just about all Unix systems use the same MTA[0] to transfer intra-
> system mail as they do to transfer mail across the world. Exim is
> the Debian default, but many replace it with Postfix.
>
> Most people must configure their MUA to send email to
> smtp.bigisp.net, and receive mail from pop.bigisp.net. But with
> Unix (and Debian makes this very easy) you can configure your MTA to
> be a relayhost[1].
>
> The way I've configured my system. Thus, in Icedove, I don't set
> the smtp server to be smtp.east.cox.net but "haggis", which is my
> machine's name. The MTA (Postfix, in my case) then routes the email
> to smtp.east.cox.net which then takes it and sends it on to it's
> final destination.
>
> Conversely, fetchmail retrieves my mail from pop.east.cox.net then
> passes it to Postfix (which feeds it thru Spam Assassin) and then to
> an IMAP server running on my desktop. That's where I (and my wife
> and children) read our email from, anywhere on our LAN.
Yes, I have used Postfix on my main home server for years now and it is
really pretty much zero maintenance. Because I am fortunate enough to
have a static IP address from my (consumer) ISP, (which is also
thoughtful enough to allow setting of valid rDNS) I send and receive
mail direct-to-mx from my Postfix box here. It means most unwanted
stuff is *rejected* at the SMTP envelope stage with some pretty simple
Postfix rules, rather than having to be accepted before being filtered
by Spamassassin or whatever.
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07-15-2008, 07:03 AM
Brad Rogers
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:23:10 +0300
Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Andrei,
> If I go to the webinterface I am requested to pass a captcha test.
> This is getting pretty annoying!
If you don't use the web i/f at GMail, they "do things"(0) to your
account. Using the web interface once a week negates any adverse
effect.
Like Ron, I'm no fan of Gmail.
(0) Stopping POP/IMAP access is one of them.
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07-15-2008, 08:11 AM
Andrei Popescu
On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:46:07, Ron Johnson wrote:
> If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep
> your data and your apps on your local machine.
I don't keep any data on gmail servers. I use it mainly for posting.
Only a limited amount of mail goes through their servers because this is
the address I currently post everywhere.
Regards,
Andrei
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07-15-2008, 08:14 AM
Andrei Popescu
On Mon,14.Jul.08, 23:16:29, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Most people must configure their MUA to send email to
> smtp.bigisp.net, and receive mail from pop.bigisp.net. But with
> Unix (and Debian makes this very easy) you can configure your MTA to
> be a relayhost[1].
I receive most of my emails through my ISPs POP server (ex. all list
traffic), but I can't use their SMTP server to relay as they don't allow
a different From, not even after authentication.
Regards,
Andrei
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07-15-2008, 09:07 AM
"Wang, Yong Y"
Hi Tim,
Sorry for the late response as I just came back from vacation. Venki's patch just made into upstream on Monday and the commit id is 8edc5cc5ec880c96de8e6686fb0d7a5231e91c05. Andi is cleaning up mce_64 and making common code for 32 and 64 bit MCE and he posted a series of patches a week ago. Mainline will probably go with that in the future but Andi's cleanup is still not upstream yet and backporting major cleanups will be really hard. For existing distros, Venki's patch is good enough for the platforms Intel is shipping now and will be shipping in the near future and this is the least intrusive way to get this bug fixed in Hardy. If you think it is OK, the patch is ready in my tree now.
The following changes since commit 40e55e8f3bb152df0e883dad572d263647f3c056:
Stefan Bader (1):
UBUNTU: ACPI: EC: Some hardware requires burst mode to operate properly
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Gardner [mailto:tcanonical@tpi.com]
> Sent: 2008年7月9日 21:28
> To: Pallipadi, Venkatesh
> Cc: kernel-team; Wang, Yong Y
> Subject: [Fwd: SRU request for LP#239666]
>
> Venkatesh,
>
> Yong Wang has asked to include this patch
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/5/8/412 in the Hardy kernel, but I've been
> holding off on applying it pending upstream resolution. Can
> you tell me
> what the status is? I've not seen it appear in Linus' tree.
>
> rtg
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07-15-2008, 01:02 PM
I noticed the other day that the "Important security updates" box in the
Update tab for managing the repositories in Adept was not checked.
In fact, I couldn't check it; whenever I release the mouse button, it becomes
unchecked.
I had a 3rd party repository enabled (security.ubuntu.com), but unchecking or
removing it didn't solve the problem.
Can anyone tell me what's happening and how to correct?
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07-15-2008, 01:59 PM
Tim Gardner
Wang, Yong Y wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Sorry for the late response as I just came back from vacation. Venki's patch just made into upstream on Monday and the commit id is 8edc5cc5ec880c96de8e6686fb0d7a5231e91c05. Andi is cleaning up mce_64 and making common code for 32 and 64 bit MCE and he posted a series of patches a week ago. Mainline will probably go with that in the future but Andi's cleanup is still not upstream yet and backporting major cleanups will be really hard. For existing distros, Venki's patch is good enough for the platforms Intel is shipping now and will be shipping in the near future and this is the least intrusive way to get this bug fixed in Hardy. If you think it is OK, the patch is ready in my tree now.
>
> The following changes since commit 40e55e8f3bb152df0e883dad572d263647f3c056:
> Stefan Bader (1):
> UBUNTU: ACPI: EC: Some hardware requires burst mode to operate properly
>
> are available in the git repository at:
>
> git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ywang/ubuntu-hardy.git master
>
> Yong Wang (1):
> UBUNTU: x86: Remove 6 bank limitation in 64 bit MCE reporting code
>
> arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mcheck/mce_64.c | 20 ++++++++++++--------
> 1 files changed, 12 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
>
Thanks - I cherry-picked directly from Linus' tree.
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07-16-2008, 12:05 AM
Celejar
On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:23:10 +0300
Andrei Popescu <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon,14.Jul.08, 20:44:32, Celejar wrote:
>
> > Note that Gmail can be used via POP or IMAP, without the web interface,
>
> I'm wondering, did any of you have problems lately with that? Quite
I haven't had trouble recently.
> often in the last weeks I get a mail from my getmail cronjob that my
> password was rejected.
>
> If I go to the webinterface I am requested to pass a captcha test. This
> is getting pretty annoying!
Haven't seen that.
> Andrei
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07-16-2008, 11:07 AM
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Ron Johnson wrote:
> I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen.
>
I don't think so. It is as evil as using any proprietary software. I use
proprietary software all the time. Their TOS is very restrictive (as is the
case for most proprietary software). So, I just use it not-so-important
stuff.
> If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep
> your data and your apps on your local machine.
>
local vs machine independent set up for email ...
I prefer machine independent any time. If you set up your email locally on a
local machine, then what would you do when you go to another place and have
to check email from another machine? In order to have 24/7 access to your
email, now you need to set up ssh and make sure that the local machine runs
24/7. An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine running
24/7. In such a case, I definitely recommend using a third party email
service (like gmail, yahoo etc.,) which cost $0, and need no maintenance
from the user.
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On 07/16/08 06:07, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> I keep telling people that Gmail is evil, but no one will listen.
>>
>
> I don't think so. It is as evil as using any proprietary software. I use
> proprietary software all the time. Their TOS is very restrictive (as is the
> case for most proprietary software). So, I just use it not-so-important
> stuff.
>
>> If you care about your data, and want to get to it at any time, keep
>> your data and your apps on your local machine.
>>
>
> local vs machine independent set up for email ...
>
> I prefer machine independent any time. If you set up your email locally on a
> local machine, then what would you do when you go to another place and have
> to check email from another machine? In order to have 24/7 access to your
> email, now you need to set up ssh and make sure that the local machine runs
> 24/7.
No, no. You enable IMAPS, and then connect using Thunderbird,
Outlook, etc, etc.
Or, install Apache and Squirrelmail.
> An ordinary user might not have resources to have a machine running
> 24/7.
Why not?
> In such a case, I definitely recommend using a third party email
> service (like gmail, yahoo etc.,) which cost $0, and need no maintenance
> from the user.
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