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Old 07-19-2012, 08:07 AM
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=== Signoff report for [testing] ===
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* texlive-humanities-2012.25861-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-bibtexextra-2012.26868-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-pictures-2012.26791-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-formatsextra-2012.26689-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-htmlxml-2012.24013-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-latexextra-2012.26807-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-science-2012.26607-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-music-2012.26726-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-langcyrillic-2012.26689-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-genericextra-2012.26700-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-pstricks-2012.26865-1 (any), since 2012-06-26
* texlive-core-2012.26892-2 (any), since 2012-06-27
* texlive-langcjk-2012.26777-2 (any), since 2012-06-27
* grub-efi-x86_64-2.00-1 (any), since 2012-06-28
* grub-2.00-1 (i686), since 2012-06-28
* grub-2.00-1 (x86_64), since 2012-06-28


== Top five in signoffs in last 24 hours ==

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Old 07-19-2012, 01:38 PM
Gary Dale
 
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On 19/07/12 02:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:08 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

Also, I don't have a problem with paying for specialized software
[snip] as long as they run natively on my platform of choice.

+1 and plus, nobody should have compunction when illegal using some
software. I've got the privilege not to need to use software illegally,
but I don't point my fingers on somebody using software illegally. In
the 80s I bought! software, fixed issues and made it illegally available
for everybody. No Internet at that time, the crime happened at the
schoolyard, by sharing 5 1/4 floppy discs.

Police, please sue me for using illegally software, if I should ever do
it again, but than I'll sue the software companies for selling borked
software .

Do two wrongs make a right?

As the discussion around this topic started with graphics cards, let's
look back at them. If a company open-sources its drivers, the community
can improve on them either in a performance or a compatibility sense.
The drivers can be kept current with the latest versions of X or any
other graphic infrastructure.


With closed source, we're left waiting for the manufacturer to do the
job - so long as they are in business and have the inclination. I have a
friend who had a computer with onboard graphics that only worked with
Windows ME. The board vendor never updated the driver to work with XP
and the Windows XP drivers didn't work.


The Linux drivers worked perfectly. I had the machine running Debian
faster than it ever ran Windows.


I tried using the proprietary drivers a few years back and was rewarded
with some minor eye-candy when they worked. I stopped using them
because, running Debian/Testing, they just wouldn't stay current with
the latest X version. I never knew when I loose my desktop. The open
source drivers kept me productive.


I used to run a free fax network using proprietary software. At one
point the vendor switched from using the open-spec dBASE .dbf files to a
proprietary database. The end result was when it screwed up, I couldn't
fix it. Nor could I extract the data properly when I shut down the
service and other groups wanted to continue with issue-specific
services. Nor was the company particularly good at resolving issues that
caused their program to lock up intermittently.


I've got computer files dating back to 1990 on my server. A lot of it is
in proprietary formats that there haven't been programs for in over a
decade. These are my files that I am effectively denied access to thanks
to closed thinking.


Another friend had upgraded his work computer over the years. For a long
time, his copy of AutoCAD continued to work. The last computer he bought
a few years ago came with Windows Vista. When he got tired of the bugs,
he upgraded to Windows 7, only to discover that AutoCAD stopped working.
He had to purchase a new, updated version just to continue working
despite the fact that he didn't need the new "improved" version. The old
version worked just fine for him (I was able to get the old version to
run in vmware - virtualBox didn't have a good enough DirectX
implementation - but that was too kludgy for him).


Nor is there any direct free competition for AutoCAD because it
encumbered its data format. If you want to use it, you have to pay and
you have to maintain the secrecy. It can't be open sourced. So much for
believing in competition.


Open source, free (as in speech) software and open formats aren't just
philosophies. There are strong business reasons why we should be using them.



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Old 07-19-2012, 02:59 PM
Ralf Mardorf
 
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On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:38 -0400, Gary Dale wrote:
> Do two wrongs make a right?

No, I'm just kidding.

> I've got computer files dating back to 1990 on my server. A lot of it is
> in proprietary formats that there haven't been programs for in over a
> decade. These are my files that I am effectively denied access to thanks
> to closed thinking.

This is not only an issue for computers. Sound carriers as DAT and some
others are gone and I don't have the time to copy all the productions.

> Open source, free (as in speech) software and open formats aren't just
> philosophies. There are strong business reasons why we should be using them.

Full ACK! OTOH I understand that many companies prefer Windows. Humans
are creatures of habit. A friend tested GIMP and he liked it, but anyway
continued using AND PAYING PhotoShop.

Regards,
Ralf


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Old 07-19-2012, 03:39 PM
gaffa
 
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:45:34 -0400
Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:30:57 -0400
> Gary Dale <garydale@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Personally I think one of the biggest appeals of Debian (and of
> > Linux in general) is the commitment to freedom. IP laws and the
> > degree to which hardware vendors support freedom is relevant to
> > purchasing decisions.
>
> I agree.
>
> > Debian users need to understand that attempts to encumber knowledge
> > for profit are inherently wrong.
>
> I don't wholly agree here. I have a very strong preference for FLOSS,
> for many reasons, but I fully respect the rights of others to develop,
> sell, buy and use non-FLOSS. It is the right of others, individuals
> and corporations, to develop, market and sell proprietary software;
> it is my right to avoid such stuff to whatevenr extent possible.
>

Yes, when you look at it from the developers point of view, but there
can never be any advantage for the user by not having the rights FLOSS
provides. At least I can't think of any consumer case where you
would want less rights. I agree that we must preserve full
personal liberty and make changes by taking a conscious choice.

Cheers,
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:18 PM
Celejar
 
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 01:17:49 -0400
Doug <dmcgarrett@optonline.net> wrote:

> On 07/18/2012 11:45 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Jul 2012 23:30:57 -0400
> > Gary Dale<garydale@rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> Personally I think one of the biggest appeals of Debian (and of Linux in
> >> general) is the commitment to freedom. IP laws and the degree to which
> >> hardware vendors support freedom is relevant to purchasing decisions.
> > I agree.
> >
> >> Debian users need to understand that attempts to encumber knowledge for
> >> profit are inherently wrong.
> > I don't wholly agree here. I have a very strong preference for FLOSS,
> > for many reasons, but I fully respect the rights of others to develop,
> > sell, buy and use non-FLOSS. It is the right of others, individuals and
> > corporations, to develop, market and sell proprietary software; it is
> > my right to avoid such stuff to whatevenr extent possible.
> >
> The problem is that there is a huge number of specialized programs
> developed to fill a particular need, in many cases using a great deal
> of specialized knowledge. There are, for example, microwave CAD

...

> Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly
> one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and
> what it costs to develop, and why it's not free.
>
> BTW: when I mention expensive, I'm not talking Microsoft Office
> numbers, I'm talking 5 and 6 figures!

Thanks for the detailed explanation; I understood your basic point,
although the detail was certainly illuminating. Was this directed to
me? As I wrote above, I'm perfectly comfortable with the rights of
creators to charge whatever they feel their product is worth / whatever
the market will bear / whatever they feel it costs them to design /
produce it. If I need it enough, and there's no FLOSS alternative, I'll
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Old 07-19-2012, 07:20 PM
Celejar
 
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300
Andrei POPESCU <andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly
> > one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and
> > what it costs to develop, and why it's not free.
>
> Please don't confuse free (beer) with free(dom). Also, I don't have a

It's not that simple. If I realize my software as FLOSS, even if I
charge money for it, how many copies can I realistically hope to sell
if any and all my customers are perfectly free to distribute it gratis?

> problem with paying for specialized software (or games, more or less the
> same problem), as long as they run natively on my platform of choice.
>
> Last time I tried running Starcraft II (legally bought) the setup was
> horrible

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Old 07-19-2012, 07:21 PM
Celejar
 
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 08:28:46 +0200
Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 09:08 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > Also, I don't have a problem with paying for specialized software
> > [snip] as long as they run natively on my platform of choice.
>
> +1 and plus, nobody should have compunction when illegal using some

Why do you feel that nobody should have any compunctions with illegally
using software? Does this attitude of yours apply to the breaking of
all laws, or only this particular one and others you don't like?

> software. I've got the privilege not to need to use software illegally,
> but I don't point my fingers on somebody using software illegally. In
> the 80s I bought! software, fixed issues and made it illegally available
> for everybody. No Internet at that time, the crime happened at the
> schoolyard, by sharing 5 1/4 floppy discs.
>
> Police, please sue me for using illegally software, if I should ever do
> it again, but than I'll sue the software companies for selling borked
> software .

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Old 07-19-2012, 08:04 PM
Gary Dale
 
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On 19/07/12 03:20 PM, Celejar wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300
Andrei POPESCU<andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:


On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote:

Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly
one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and
what it costs to develop, and why it's not free.

Please don't confuse free (beer) with free(dom). Also, I don't have a

It's not that simple. If I realize my software as FLOSS, even if I
charge money for it, how many copies can I realistically hope to sell
if any and all my customers are perfectly free to distribute it gratis?
Many companies release their software as FLOSS and make money out of it.
RedHat is a good example. Novell only returned to profitability after
taking over Suse. IBM is one of the world's biggest supporters of FLOSS.


There are various models that are used. Some charge for support, like
RedHat. If you don't want their support, you can use CentOS or
Scientific Linux. Moreover, more companies prefer RedHat's support to
Oracle's for essentially the same OS. I charge people to support their
Linux (and Windows) setups. After all, technical expertise isn't all
that common or easy.


Others charge for training. Just because the software is free doesn't
mean you necessarily know how to use it to its fullest capacity. Many
companies prefer to send people for training rather than have them
struggle to get used to a product.


Some use donation models - ask people who use your software to
contribute to its development (or not, it's optional). Others seek
funding from foundations to keep developing software that servers the
public good.


Some use ads on their web sites to generate revenue when (potential)
user come to look for help.


Some just build up a base of volunteers to put out their product without
really expecting to make any money from it. They have day jobs to pay
the way. I do something similar when I volunteer with the Lions Club -
it's just not software related.



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Old 07-19-2012, 09:42 PM
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** *I suspect this isn't only a Kubuntu Issue so I post it here. There are a bunch of issues I'm having with my new Lenovo X230 laptop. Basically getting the multiple monitors enabled in the desired configuration (DVI output left of VGA output, laptop display off), is very finicky, and actually involves about 5 changes to get it to work. That said I thought I would start small and go with the first issue, and that is that I can't start X with anything hooked into the display port.

*

Please see the attached log files (with xdiagnose enabled).It seems kdm keeps trying at around 8 seconds, and then around 24 seconds, then I unplug the display port connector and X starts. Additionally I've tried both mini Display Port -> VGA and mini Display Port -> DVI and both do this.*

*

Thank you,*

*

Steve Ramage

*

*

Syslog:*http://pastebin.com/RmdkvQvR

Xorg:*http://pastebin.com/QcqP86sR

dmesg:*http://pastebin.com/hiqzRWU9

lshw:http://pastebin.com/rg2abKTJ

*

*

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Old 07-20-2012, 02:50 AM
Celejar
 
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:04:10 -0400
Gary Dale <garydale@rogers.com> wrote:

> On 19/07/12 03:20 PM, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:08:58 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU<andreimpopescu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Jo, 19 iul 12, 01:17:49, Doug wrote:
> >>> Sorry for the bandwidth, but I think the Linux user--I'm certainly
> >>> one of them--needs to realize what real specialized software is, and
> >>> what it costs to develop, and why it's not free.
> >> Please don't confuse free (beer) with free(dom). Also, I don't have a
> > It's not that simple. If I realize my software as FLOSS, even if I
> > charge money for it, how many copies can I realistically hope to sell
> > if any and all my customers are perfectly free to distribute it gratis?
> Many companies release their software as FLOSS and make money out of it.

Quite true - and completely irrelevant to my point. I don't deny that
money can be made with FLOSS, just that it's pointless to try to sell
copies of one's software if it's freely copyable. The examples you give
are all of models other than the straightforward sale of licenses or
copies.

> RedHat is a good example. Novell only returned to profitability after
> taking over Suse. IBM is one of the world's biggest supporters of FLOSS.
>
> There are various models that are used. Some charge for support, like
> RedHat. If you don't want their support, you can use CentOS or
> Scientific Linux. Moreover, more companies prefer RedHat's support to
> Oracle's for essentially the same OS. I charge people to support their
> Linux (and Windows) setups. After all, technical expertise isn't all
> that common or easy.
>
> Others charge for training. Just because the software is free doesn't
> mean you necessarily know how to use it to its fullest capacity. Many
> companies prefer to send people for training rather than have them
> struggle to get used to a product.
>
> Some use donation models - ask people who use your software to
> contribute to its development (or not, it's optional). Others seek
> funding from foundations to keep developing software that servers the
> public good.
>
> Some use ads on their web sites to generate revenue when (potential)
> user come to look for help.
>
> Some just build up a base of volunteers to put out their product without
> really expecting to make any money from it. They have day jobs to pay
> the way. I do something similar when I volunteer with the Lions Club -
> it's just not software related.

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