On 05/10/12 06:36, Greg KH wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 08:51:37PM +0200, Fabio Erculiani wrote:
>> I foresee a new udev fork then.
> Please feel free to do so, the code has been open since the first day I
> created it.
>
> Remember, forks are good, there's nothing wrong with them, I strongly
> encourage people to do them if they wish to, it benefits everyone
> involved.
Forks are often unnecessary.
Now instead of working on something useful I get to spend my time
reverting to previous behaviour, just so I can have a working solution
instead of a shiny one.
Are we really doing so well that we can just rewrite everything instead
of maybe, for once, have things boring predictable and bugfree? I mean
... things were going so well. Machines Just Booted Every TIme.
And now - UEFI is glitching all over the place, the GPT-aware
bootloaders have config files with insane complexity and are exquisitely
buggy, and someone thought making the init system exciting would just
make life oh so much better. Result: I can't get more than a blinking
cursor out of some machines without resorting to Dirty Hacks I would
really prefer not to even consider.
Seriously. I don't have time for these games. Stop breaking stuff!
>
>> If udev is going to end up like avahi is, this is *highly* probable.
> That's an odd transition...
Same people involved, same mentality - and we don't want to be standing
on the sides saying "Told you so" again. Gets boring.
>
>> With "avahi is ..." I actually mean, one single tarball blob depending
>> on the whole world and its solar system and galaxy.
> Hyperbole, how nice
>
>> Please stop throwing lennartware at people. FailAudio has been enough, thanks.
> The use of these terms is both rude and totally uncalled for. You
> should be ashamed of yourself.
It's reactive. I've been called stupid, conservative, behind the times,
user of obsolete software that will go the way of the dinosaurs. Why
should we be ashamed of not agreeing with these funny pranksters?
>
> Seriously, that's unacceptable behavior from anyone.
Then make it stop?
>
> No one forces you to use any of this software if you do not want to.
Yeah, I can just stop updating. Sounds like a solution to all problems
> There are lots of other operating systems out there, feel free to switch
> to them if you do not like the way this one is working out, no one is
> stopping you. But for you to disparage someone who has given immense
> bodies of work to the community, and you, for free, is horrible behavior
> and needs to stop right now.
Goes both ways. We're here because of Freedom, in various flavours.
Freedom to copy things around and use for free. Freedom to swap out one
part and use another.
Freedom to break things badly.
So why would I give up my freedom to tinker just because someone else is
writing more code than I do?
And I still have the freedom to complain all day long about undesigned
stuff people try to force on me.
Hey, you even have the freedom to complain about my complaining.
Either way, I hope I can continue using Free Linux for a while and not
be forced to use random things that are silly. I'd have expected you to
support that.
Take care,
Patrick
