On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 21:30 +0000, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
> I have seen some of the GNOME Shell extensions in the repos with the
> names gnome-shell-extensions and others with gnome-shell-extension. A
> naming standard should be established, I would suggest that each
> package contains a single extension, so the name sans "s" would be most
> correct. In the future if a meta package was created to be calling
> multiple extensions then "extensions" would be more correct.
I agree. As far as i can tell, this is already true for themes. So
extensions should follow the same pattern.
But, what about nagios plugins? Each single package is named
nagios-plugins-* while the package holds only one plugin, with the
exception of nagios-plugins.{arch} and nagios-plugins-all.{arch}
regards,
Léon
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06-16-2011, 07:58 AM
Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Wed, 2011-06-15 at 21:30 +0000, Robert 'Bob' Jensen wrote:
> I have seen some of the GNOME Shell extensions in the repos with the
> names gnome-shell-extensions and others with gnome-shell-extension. A
> naming standard should be established, I would suggest that each
> package contains a single extension, so the name sans "s" would be
> most correct. In the future if a meta package was created to be
> calling multiple extensions then "extensions" would be more correct.
Some reviewers already tried to harmonize this:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710386#c1
Using this approach:
"""
These extensions were built as subpackages of the main package
"gnome-shell-extensions", and so named "gnome-shell-extensions-<foo>",
as defined in the guidelines.
It seemed logical to me to refer to "third-party" extensions under the
name "gnome-shell-extension-<bar>", since the package would provide only
one extension "a priori". Maybe we'll need to specify guidelines for
such extensions, becoming more numerous.
"""
(see comment 3 of the same bug report).
This sounds like a valid approach to me.
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06-16-2011, 10:53 AM
Robert 'Bob' Jensen
----- "Pierre-Yves Chibon" <pingou@pingoured.fr> wrote:
> Some reviewers already tried to harmonize this:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=710386#c1
>
> Using this approach:
> """
> These extensions were built as subpackages of the main package
> "gnome-shell-extensions", and so named
> "gnome-shell-extensions-<foo>",
> as defined in the guidelines.
> It seemed logical to me to refer to "third-party" extensions under
> the
> name "gnome-shell-extension-<bar>", since the package would provide
> only
> one extension "a priori". Maybe we'll need to specify guidelines for
> such extensions, becoming more numerous.
> """
> (see comment 3 of the same bug report).
>
> This sounds like a valid approach to me.
>
A single element is not plural. End users are not going to know the
difference between the "subpackages of the main package" and third
party extensions, until this moment I did not so I had to look in to it
myself. It seems the the "extensions" name is coming from the git repo
where gnome has multiple extensions stored/developed. On the GnomeShell
Extensions[1] page it describes the "gnome-shell-extension-tool" again
a single extension with out the plural name.
Almost forgot about this -- a while (now) back I have received a request
for letters of support for the lead developer of Atlas. I circulated it
on debian-science, but I bet there are other Debian developers who might
like to contribute to such a letter. Please feel free to contribute:
http://whiteboard.debian.net/atlas-testimonial.wb
I am going to send it out to Clint in a week, so there is time left.
With best regards,
Yarik
----- Forwarded message from Yaroslav Halchenko <debian@onerussian.com> -----
I am sure that we have lots of Debian-science users of ATLAS (actually
according to popcon it is more than 5% of Debian users). And it
is time when we could help securing future ATLAS development.
I guess Sylvestre as the maintainer could write a letter and few
debian-science users/developers could write few more. But what about
composing may be a group letter from Debian-Science group?
If idea is sound, then I guess we should start composing it on google
docs... sounds good?
Communicated by Matthew Brett <matthew.brett@gmail.com>:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Clint Whaley <whaley@cs.utsa.edu>
Date: Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 7:24 AM
Subject: [atlas-devel] tenure letters
To: math-atlas-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Guys,
I go up for tenure this summer. *The tenure committee has asked that I get
testimonials from ATLAS users so they can see the importance of the package
to the community. *So, if ATLAS has been of use to you, this is the time
to write a letter saying it.
If you are an individual researcher, discussing how ATLAS helps you in
your research will be very helpful.
If you are a repackager of ATLAS, discussing how ATLAS helps your distro,
and how many people use it would be very helpful.
If you are a sys admin who installs ATLAS for others to use, outlining
your lab and the types of research done their would be of great help.
If you have read my papers and find them helpful, discussing that is good as
well, but you don't need to do that for this, since they will ask for
academic reviewers separately.
If you know others that don't monitor this list who might be willing to
write letters, please pass this message on. *My colleagues have specifically
asked for this information so they can give weight to my claims that
providing ATLAS is a service to a large number of communities, that
it is widely used, and that its continued production at UTSA will
raise our profile.
If you are willing to write a letter and need further information,
please contact me directly if you like.
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06-17-2011, 09:36 PM
Ian Weller
Just got this email from Toshio, and this affects the designteam group
in FAS because we're listed as a hosted group (since we have a hosted
repo tied to our FAS account).
Because our group previously required cla_done, I feel like there's no
reason it shouldn't be this way in the future -- just wanted to check
with everyone else before I file a ticket with Infrastructure.
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06-17-2011, 10:21 PM
Máirín Duffy
On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 21:36 +0000, Ian Weller wrote:
> Just got this email from Toshio, and this affects the designteam group
> in FAS because we're listed as a hosted group (since we have a hosted
> repo tied to our FAS account).
>
> Because our group previously required cla_done, I feel like there's no
> reason it shouldn't be this way in the future -- just wanted to check
> with everyone else before I file a ticket with Infrastructure.
Yeh, since we're accepting artwork from folks I think it should still.
Can you add our other hosted project, gitfedora-ux, to your ticket as
well?
~m
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06-18-2011, 05:02 AM
Ian Weller
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:21:31PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 21:36 +0000, Ian Weller wrote:
> > Just got this email from Toshio, and this affects the designteam group
> > in FAS because we're listed as a hosted group (since we have a hosted
> > repo tied to our FAS account).
> >
> > Because our group previously required cla_done, I feel like there's no
> > reason it shouldn't be this way in the future -- just wanted to check
> > with everyone else before I file a ticket with Infrastructure.
>
> Yeh, since we're accepting artwork from folks I think it should still.
> Can you add our other hosted project, gitfedora-ux, to your ticket as
> well?
Will do. Thanks!
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06-25-2011, 01:07 PM
Aaron Konstam
> >
>
> Well you are right as I expected you to be. I did not think of creating
> a new user to test your thesis. But I noticed that the Trash folder is
> available through the Files option in the list of favorites which was
> what the OP wanted to know, i.e., how to find the Trash folder.
Well I have to eat crow again. Rahul, you told the OP that he could find
the Trash bin by using the nautilus file-manager.
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06-26-2011, 08:22 PM
Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 26 June 2011 17:31:27 Joe Zeff wrote:
> I also understand spelling issues; not just from dyslexic posters but
> from those who (like me) weren't properly taught as children. In my
> case, it took word processors with spelling checkers to teach me
> (mostly) how to spell, and I still depend on them. What I don't
> understand, I'll admit, is people who either turn them off or ignore the
> warnings. Not knowing how to spell is something I can understand, but I
> can't wrap my head around the idea of poor spellers who Just Don't Care.
Well, I am one of the people who deliberately turn off the spell-checker in my
mail client (KMail). Why? Because I often compose mails in non-English
languages, sometimes mixing several languages in the same e-mail, etc. And it
gets on my nerves when the whole text of my e-mail is underlined in red just
because I am writing it in a language that is not English.
So far I do not know of any way for KMail to do a context analysis of the text
I am typing, guess the language I use and reconfigure the spell-checker on the
fly to do its job right. I would love to have such a thing being done for me in
e-mail automatically, if possible even when I mix several languages within a
single post. But alas, such intelligent spell-checking facilities don't exist
AFAIK, at least for e-mail clients.
Bottomline --- I turn off the spell-checker because it is not multilingual, and
does a very bad job for any person composing e-mails in more than one
language.
It's not that I "Just Don't Care", but rather that "Spell-Checkers Do A Lousy
Job", in the modern multilingual world. The most blunt example is that I need
to switch the spell-checker rules based on whether the e-mail recipient lives
in US or UK... And I am supposedly composing an e-mail in "English" in both
cases. It's a mess.
As a side note, given that my native language is 100% phonetic and spelling
rules are trivialized to the point where spelling errors are indistinguishable
from typographical errors, I can only feel sorrow for all the native-English-
speaking people who have to put up with the very concept of spell-checking,
memorizing correct spelling for uncommon words, children devoting time to
learn correct spelling in school, etc... If human languages were "made by
design" (like programming languages are), I'd say English has by far the worst
lexicographical syntax design of all human languages I ever came in touch
with. ;-) The very existence of spell-checkers as helper tools just confirms
that.
HTH, :-)
Marko
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