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Old 04-10-2010, 08:43 PM
Antonio Olivares
 
Default firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

Dear fellow Fedora users,

egin{rant}
I have tried to use firefox on/off for a while, and I know since it is opensource, Fedora will stick with it even though it has become a big and ugly resource taker .

The other day I was giving it a chance and browsing the web happily, and then all of a sudden my machine died on me, I could not move the mouse, I could not CTRL+ALT+F2 to get a terminal(since CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE was removed by Xorg(thanks guys)) I could not normally do anything leaving me no choice but to PRESS AND HOLD POWER BUTTON till the machine shut down. Several days later I see abrt kick in telling about the Sleeping function error(see other post), and luckily abrt captured it:

BUG: soft lockup - CPU#3 stuck for 61s! [firefox:3100]
Modules linked in: ppp_deflate zlib_deflate ppp_async crc_ccitt ppp_generic slhc fuse Intel536 slamr(P) ungrab_winmodem sunrpc cpufreq_ondemand acpi_cpufreq ip6t_REJECT nf_conntrack_ipv6 ip6table_filter ip6_tables ipv6 uinput snd_hda_codec_analog arc4 ecb snd_hda_intel snd_hda_codec r8169 mii snd_hwdep snd_seq snd_seq_device snd_pcm iTCO_wdt i2c_i801 snd_timer iTCO_vendor_support snd soundcore snd_page_alloc rtl8187 mac80211 asus_atk0110 cfg80211 rfkill eeprom_93cx6 sky2 pata_acpi firewire_ohci ata_generic firewire_core dm_multipath crc_itu_t usb_storage pata_jmicron nouveau ttm drm_kms_helper drm i2c_algo_bit i2c_core [last unloaded: microcode]
Pid: 3100, comm: firefox Ta"Community support for Fedora users" <users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
inted: P (2.6.32.9-70.fc12.i686.PAE #1) P5K Deluxe
EIP: 0060:[<c07a57f3>] EFLAGS: 00200297 CPU: 3
EIP is at _spin_lock_bh+0x20/0x27
EAX: efe22000 EBX: f2edb470 ECX: 00000000 EDX: 00006c6b
ESI: c09d2928 EDI: 00000002 EBP: efe23cbc ESP: efe23cb8
DS: 007b ES: 007b FS: 00d8 GS: 00e0 SS: 0068
CR0: 8005003b CR2: b6b2b000 CR3: 2d57e000 CR4: 000006f0
DR0: 00000000 DR1: 00000000 DR2: 00000000 DR3: 00000000
DR6: ffff0ff0 DR7: 00000400
Call Trace:
[<c0711c23>] lock_sock_nested+0x31/0xad
[<c074a9d2>] lock_sock+0xf/0x11
[<c074b8a1>] tcp_recvmsg+0x1a/0x84a
[<c071118a>] sock_common_recvmsg+0x36/0x4b
[<c070efe7>] __sock_recvmsg+0x56/0x60
[<c070f4ed>] sock_recvmsg+0xbe/0xd5
[<c045b4d5>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x34
[<c04f2e2b>] ? touch_atime+0xd2/0xeb
[<c0710558>] sys_recvfrom+0xc1/0x126
[<c04e0d98>] ? do_sync_read+0xae/0xe9
[<c045b4d5>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x34
[<c07105da>] sys_recv+0x1d/0x1f
[<c0710a85>] sys_socketcall+0x10d/0x195
[<c0487996>] ? audit_syscall_exit+0xff/0x114
[<c040905b>] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x28

I submitted it and it says it went to the kernel and not to FIREFOX. How sad it was a kernel oops and not a FIREFOX oops. I beg to differ.

Still despite not agreeing with everything in Fedora's philosophy, I do have to thank the KDE devs, Rex Dieter, Kevin Koffler, ... and others who I don't know for their work with KDE. I have been happily using konqueror for a while (no flash, no proprietary stuff) just plain old konqueror the way Fedora and other distributions package it. It would be great that more people give konqueror a chance and stop giving FIREFOX all of their divided supported. It is not that great, it has grown but not getting better, just bigger and not leaner, maybe it needs to be put on a DIET.

end{rant}

Regards,

Antonio

P.S.
If you need to send this rant to /dev/null, you are welcome to do so.
Just remember that konqueror is THE ONE browser that deserves my respect and my loyalty. If I need another browser, I will use Opera because it does not do bad things like firefox even though it is not OPEN SOURCE.
Also,
I am a happy Fedora user since Fedora 2 and have used every version since at home and at work, I have found ways around my difficulties and the folks here have been tremdously helpful and have no regrets using it. I am only disapointed in Firefox not Fedora.



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Old 04-10-2010, 08:51 PM
Rahul Sundaram
 
Default firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

On 04/11/2010 02:13 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> Dear fellow Fedora users,
>
> egin{rant}
> I have tried to use firefox on/off for a while, and I know since it is opensource, Fedora will stick with it even though it has become a big and ugly resource taker .
>
> The other day I was giving it a chance and browsing the web happily, and then all of a sudden my machine died on me, I could not move the mouse, I could not CTRL+ALT+F2 to get a terminal(since CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE was removed by Xorg(thanks guys))
This functionality was disabled by default but never removed.

> I submitted it and it says it went to the kernel and not to FIREFOX. How sad it was a kernel oops and not a FIREFOX oops. I beg to differ.
>

What you have shown is quite clearly a kernel bug although Firefox might
have triggered it. It seems a misdirected rant to me.

Rahul
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:00 PM
Temlakos
 
Default firefox rant, thanks for konqueror to the KDE devs.

On 04/10/2010 04:51 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 04/11/2010 02:13 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote:
>
>> Dear fellow Fedora users,
>>
>> egin{rant}
>> I have tried to use firefox on/off for a while, and I know since it is opensource, Fedora will stick with it even though it has become a big and ugly resource taker .
>>
>> The other day I was giving it a chance and browsing the web happily, and then all of a sudden my machine died on me, I could not move the mouse, I could not CTRL+ALT+F2 to get a terminal(since CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE was removed by Xorg(thanks guys))
>>
> This functionality was disabled by default but never removed.
>
>
>> I submitted it and it says it went to the kernel and not to FIREFOX. How sad it was a kernel oops and not a FIREFOX oops. I beg to differ.
>>
>>
> What you have shown is quite clearly a kernel bug although Firefox might
> have triggered it. It seems a misdirected rant to me.
>
> Rahul
>

The kernel has had this very odd bug since version 2.6.32.10, but once
even 2.6.32.9 did it--though it had not done this before I used
2.6.32.10 for the first time. And it happened just a couple of hours or
so ago with 2.6.32.11. And it usually happens when I have Firefox
running, especially in the foreground, and move the cursor to the bottom
of the screen to reveal the panel, which I keep hidden.

But I have not been able to capture any debugging information.

I happen to think that Firefox does a lot of things for me that
Konqueror cannot handle. For example, Konqueror cannot handle the many
Java scripts that, say, Digg.com has. "Digging," even when I am logged
on, always seems to go nowhere in Konqueror.

Temlakos
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