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Old 03-01-2010, 05:22 PM
Mike Cloaked
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

If one wanted to install a rawhide kernel in a running f12 machine I guess
you could do something like
yum --enablerepo development install kernel kernel-devel etc

However there are now rpms in the development directories both for 13/ and
for rawhide/ (and i386 and x86_64) - is there a way to install an f13
(specifically), as opposed to rawhide, package in a system running f12?

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Old 03-01-2010, 05:53 PM
Bruno Wolff III
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:22:31 -0800,
Mike Cloaked <mike.cloaked@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If one wanted to install a rawhide kernel in a running f12 machine I guess
> you could do something like
> yum --enablerepo development install kernel kernel-devel etc

I think at this point in time, you would also be committed to pulling in
updates related to graphics driver support (mesa, xorg-x11, libdrm).

> However there are now rpms in the development directories both for 13/ and
> for rawhide/ (and i386 and x86_64) - is there a way to install an f13
> (specifically), as opposed to rawhide, package in a system running f12?

There is a boot iso. I use yum to upgrade two systems just after the branch.
The F13 release package should point to the F13 repositories. The F14
release package should point to rawhide.
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:10 PM
Mike Cloaked
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
>
> I think at this point in time, you would also be committed to pulling in
> updates related to graphics driver support (mesa, xorg-x11, libdrm).
>
>> However there are now rpms in the development directories both for 13/
>> and
>> for rawhide/ (and i386 and x86_64) - is there a way to install an f13
>> (specifically), as opposed to rawhide, package in a system running f12?
>
> There is a boot iso. I use yum to upgrade two systems just after the
> branch.
> The F13 release package should point to the F13 repositories. The F14
> release package should point to rawhide.
>
>

OK a bit confused now - you mean that you "could" run f13 kernel in f12
provided you also installed the appropriate graphics packages? If so what
would a suitable yum command be?

I guess your second comment regarding boot.iso would be if you wanted to
move a running f12 system onto rawhide or install rawhide from the boot.iso?
Or did you mean if you installed fedora-release-13-0.6.noarch.rpm within a
running f12 system then the repos would point to f13? On the other hand
installing fedora-release-rawhide-13-0.6.noarch.rpm would then pull in
rawhide packages?

Just needed to be clear what the various options did.
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:16 PM
Bruno Wolff III
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 12:10:14 -0800,
Mike Cloaked <mike.cloaked@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK a bit confused now - you mean that you "could" run f13 kernel in f12
> provided you also installed the appropriate graphics packages? If so what
> would a suitable yum command be?

Well the normal way to do this would be to use a yum update with --enablerepo=
set to the appropriate name (there should be one in your repo files, but mine
have been changed so i don't know the exact name). Don't use the -y option,
so you can see what all is going to be upgraded before you start the upgrade.
Sometimes not much is needed for a kernel, but this time there might be a
lot.

> I guess your second comment regarding boot.iso would be if you wanted to
> move a running f12 system onto rawhide or install rawhide from the boot.iso?
> Or did you mean if you installed fedora-release-13-0.6.noarch.rpm within a
> running f12 system then the repos would point to f13? On the other hand
> installing fedora-release-rawhide-13-0.6.noarch.rpm would then pull in
> rawhide packages?

I thought you were asking about installing F13. Maybe you just were interested
in cherry picking packages. In which case you don't care about the boot iso
and don't want to install the f13 version of fedora-release. You want to
carefully use enablerepo. You should also be comfortable downgrading packages
and probably doing rescue recover in case there ends up being a more serious
problem.
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:34 PM
M A Young
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Mike Cloaked wrote:

> If one wanted to install a rawhide kernel in a running f12 machine I guess
> you could do something like
> yum --enablerepo development install kernel kernel-devel etc
>
> However there are now rpms in the development directories both for 13/ and
> for rawhide/ (and i386 and x86_64) - is there a way to install an f13
> (specifically), as opposed to rawhide, package in a system running f12?

If you want to update everything to fedora 13 using yum (though of course
the recommended way is to boot off a f13 iso image) then it should be
enough to download and install (by hand) the fedora-release package from
the f13 tree, and then run yum. If you want to pick and choose packages,
you could probably create some fedora 13 repo files with a bit of
judicious copying and editing of the files in /etc/yum.repos.d

Michael Young
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:44 PM
Mike Cloaked
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

M A Young wrote:
>
>
> If you want to update everything to fedora 13 using yum (though of course
> the recommended way is to boot off a f13 iso image) then it should be
> enough to download and install (by hand) the fedora-release package from
> the f13 tree, and then run yum. If you want to pick and choose packages,
> you could probably create some fedora 13 repo files with a bit of
> judicious copying and editing of the files in /etc/yum.repos.d
>
> Michael Young
>
>

Quite an interesting and relevant discussion in devel at
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-February/131303.html

Originally I was wondering if you could just update enough from devel repo
to run the f13 or f14 kernels in an otherwise unaltered f12 - but maybe this
is a bit tricky to get right?
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Old 03-01-2010, 09:07 PM
Roger
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

On 03/02/2010 05:53 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:22:31 -0800,
> Mike Cloaked<mike.cloaked@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> If one wanted to install a rawhide kernel in a running f12 machine I guess
>> you could do something like
>> yum --enablerepo development install kernel kernel-devel etc
>>
> On one of my recent Fedora 12 installations, yum update pulledin
> Fedora 13 rpms and the system refused to boot.
Be careful
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Old 03-01-2010, 09:24 PM
M A Young
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010, Mike Cloaked wrote:

> Originally I was wondering if you could just update enough from devel repo
> to run the f13 or f14 kernels in an otherwise unaltered f12 - but maybe this
> is a bit tricky to get right?

That is probably relative safe to do (provided you make sure you keep a
Fedora 12 kernel installed to go back to just in case) because kernels
have few dependencies. Possible difficulties include too-old kernel
install tools like dracut, and incompatible selinux or X versions.

If all you want is 2.6.32 then you can get that from the updates-testing
repository of Fedora 12 anyway. (The plan seems to be for F12 to go to
2.6.32 eventually, though presumably there have been technical and/or QA
issues stopping in happening so far).

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Old 03-01-2010, 10:00 PM
Mike Cloaked
 
Default Using f13 rpms in f12?

M A Young wrote:
>
>
> That is probably relative safe to do (provided you make sure you keep a
> Fedora 12 kernel installed to go back to just in case) because kernels
> have few dependencies. Possible difficulties include too-old kernel
> install tools like dracut, and incompatible selinux or X versions.
>
> If all you want is 2.6.32 then you can get that from the updates-testing
> repository of Fedora 12 anyway. (The plan seems to be for F12 to go to
> 2.6.32 eventually, though presumably there have been technical and/or QA
> issues stopping in happening so far).
>
>

I have been running the .32 kernel from koji for a while without issue in my
laptop - but I wondered if getting the .33 kernel (which has some important
fixes over .32) might be possible without too much hassle but keep the rest
of f12 going as it is in a stable manner. If what is needed is to update
dracut, mesa, x11 and a few other things at the same time and it will still
boot and run X (with gnome 2-d only) then that would be nice!
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