On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 09:45 +0100, Tobias Ringström wrote:
> On 02/12/2010 09:26 AM, birger wrote:
> > Placement of screens is a different story. No, users are not supposed to
> > move their screens around. What they frequently do is move the computers
> > around. You know - laptops? For laptops you definitely want users to
> > control placement of screens, right? At work I have one setup, at my
> > home office a second one. Then there are at least two frequently used
> > meeting rooms, one with a big screen, the other with a projector.
> >
>
> Well of course, but that has nothing at all to do with per user
> settings. You don't use switch user account when you connect an external
> monitor to a laptop, I hope. :-)
Actually, it does. I want ordinary users to be able to change their
display settings when moving their PC around. Ordinary users should
*not* be able to change the system defaults. So this kind of setting
should be per user IMHO.
On the other hand, with a laptop you always know you have at least one
screen that is not rotated for your login prompt. :-)
birger
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02-12-2010, 08:54 AM
Ed Greshko
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Marcel Rieux wrote:
> 2010/2/12 Tobias Ringström <tobias@ringis.se>:
>
>> I'm using two 1280x1024 displays rotated 90 degrees with an Nvidia
>> graphics card, and I was very impressed by Fedora 12, because it was the
>> first Fedora release where I could get this setup working without using
>> Nvidia's closed source driver, and I didn't even have to fiddle with
>> xorg.conf. After a few very intuitive changes in
>> gnome-display-properties, it was just perfect.
>>
>
> I'm trying in vain to get Twinview to work with NVIDIA's proprietary
> drivers. You know, images that show in a 5x4 format on my Viewsonic
> monitor showing fullscreen in 5x4 format on my Sony TV and images that
> are 16x9 filling up all the TV screen.
>
> Do you believe this it is possible with the Nouveau driver? That would
> be wonderful, mainly if it wouldn't prevent me from installing a TV
> tuner later on.
>
I broke down....just for you.... :-)
I've got a GeForce 7300 GT and running nVidia's 190.53 driver. I've got
2 monitors. A Samsung 2343BWX whose native resolution is 2048x1152 and
a Samsung 172t whose native resolution is 1280x1024. The 2343BWX is
connected on DVI and the 172t on the VGA.
I've attached 4 xorg.conf files.....
xorg.conf.txt Is my original file with only the 2343BWX connected
xorg.conf.twinview.txt Is with both attached in twinview mode
xorg.conf.notwinview.xinerama.txt Is with both attached no twinview,
xinerama enabled
xorg.conf.notwinview.noxinerama.txt Is with both attached no twinview
and no xinerama
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02-12-2010, 11:17 AM
Roberto Ragusa
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Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote:
> What I've been looking for, for a long time, yet am unable to find, is
> a very large, yet LOW resolution LCD display.
>
> What I would like to see are great big fat square sharp pixels, with
> great big, sharply defined and completely non-antialiased text.
if you set the resolution to an exact fraction, for example 800x600 on
a 1600x1200 screen, it should be really sharp.
Have you considered cheap "TV" LCD? they are big and often with low
resolution.
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02-12-2010, 05:50 PM
Tony Nelson
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On 10-02-12 01:56:46, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote:
> What I've been looking for, for a long time, yet am unable to find,
> is a very large, yet LOW resolution LCD display.
>
> What I would like to see are great big fat square sharp pixels, with
> great big, sharply defined and completely non-antialiased text.
>
> I spend all day long working in front of a monitor. Then when I go
> home, I spend all night long hanging out in front of a monitor so I
> can troll the Series of Tubes.
>
> This makes my eyes very tired, from having to read so much tiny
> print.
Change the DPI setting. I set it in xorg.conf by setting a
DisplaySize, but it can also be set in Appearance Preferences -> Fonts
-> Details : Resolution. You can also fiddle with the anti-aliasing
there.
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02-12-2010, 06:04 PM
Andrew Haley
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On 02/12/2010 12:17 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote:
>> What I've been looking for, for a long time, yet am unable to find, is
>> a very large, yet LOW resolution LCD display.
>>
>> What I would like to see are great big fat square sharp pixels, with
>> great big, sharply defined and completely non-antialiased text.
I use the big Dell WFP3008, which doubles up pixels quite
nicely to 1280 x 800. Mind you, are you sure you don't just
need new glasses?
Andrew.
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02-12-2010, 07:21 PM
Marcel Rieux
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2010/2/12 Tobias Ringström <tobias@ringis.se>:
> On 02/12/2010 08:47 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> I'm trying in vain to get Twinview to work with NVIDIA's proprietary
>> drivers. You know, images that show in a 5x4 format on my Viewsonic
>> monitor showing fullscreen in 5x4 format on my Sony TV and images that
>> are 16x9 filling up all the TV screen.
>>
>> Do you believe this it is possible with the Nouveau driver? That would
>> be wonderful, mainly if it wouldn't prevent me from installing a TV
>> tuner later on.
>>
>
> All I know is that dual rotated monitors as well as dual monitors with
> different resoltions works very well here (no xorg.conf and only using
> gnome-display-properties).
>
> Perhaps just give it a try?
I*did... with Omega. This way I didn't have to uninstall the NVIDIA*drivers.
Yes, if you select "mirror", the two screens are the same, except that
the aspect ratio is only correct on the Viewsonic monitor. On the TV,
everything is stretched horizontally to fill the screen.
Only two different X screens provide correct aspect ratios on both
screens. One advantage of Nouveau, here, is that it permits to open
the same application in both screens, which NVIDIA*doesn't allow.
IOW, when applications open in 2 different screens, they "know" what
screen they're in and the aspect ratio is correct. When mirrored (or
cloned), the card doesn't interpret the data its receiving to adapt to
the other screen, even though the NVIDIA*driver seems to do an effort
to achieve this. But it doesn't succeed.
So, I believe that's it. What I wanted is impossible. Now, if only the
cursor would stop going to the TV*screen even when the TV*is shut
down! This is a bugger, mainly when using the Google/Yahoo search
window in Firefox.
A solution would be to make two different xorg files and use the
monitor or TV*one at the time:*either the monitor is your monitor, or
the TV is.
Your suggestion to use the Gnome display settings taught me how things work.
Thanks.
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02-12-2010, 07:23 PM
Marcel Rieux
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@greshko.com> wrote:
> Marcel Rieux wrote:
>> 2010/2/12 Tobias Ringström <tobias@ringis.se>:
Thanks for the trouble but see my answer to Tobias Ringström.
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02-12-2010, 07:40 PM
Don Quixote de la Mancha
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Andrew Haley <aph@redhat.com> wrote:
> I use the big Dell WFP3008, which doubles up pixels quite
> nicely to 1280 x 800. *Mind you, are you sure you don't just
> need new glasses?
It's not that I can't focus. It's that I don't want to have to.
Focussing all day long on text on a computer screen makes me very,
very tired by the end of the day. When I get home from work, it's
everything I can do to work up the energy just to cook my supper.
There are many reasons why one might be tired at the end of a work
day, but I'm quite certain that primary among them, at least in my
case, is having to read so much text.
Mike
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02-15-2010, 08:27 AM
Chris Ross
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On 02/12/2010 06:39 AM, Tobias Ringström wrote:
Why would anyone even want user specific display settings? Are users
> expected to move monitors around between logging in? Per user settings
> might be useful as a feature, but it's a very unfriendly default, or am
> I missing something?
In my house the default resolution is 2048x1536, but my 7 year old's
account is at 1280x1024 so that Club Penguin comes out nearly as big as
the screen instead of postcard size. It's a flash application so runs at
a fixed resolution, 1024x768 I think.
Chris R.
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