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Old 02-02-2010, 02:17 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 22:46 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > I understand that creating a bugzilla entry is the only way developers
> > can hear of a problem. But over and over I file a bugzilla and get no
> > response.
> >
> > On 12/08/09 I filed a bugzilla about a problem that in both Gnome and
> > Nautilus executing Places->Network reveals Windows machines on the LAN
> > but not fedora machines. This worked correctly on F11 but not on f12.
> >
> > It has been 2 months , almost, since the bugzilla and I have seen no
> > response. It is really frustrating. What is one supposed do? I have go
> > real response to this problem from the list either.
> >
> It is true that you've no gotten a response on this list as well.
>
> I currently don't have an F11 system up and running...but will try to
> get one up this week. But, I do have a question. When you open
> "Places--->Network" you'd normally see "Windows Network" and under that
> you'd find any Workgroups or Domains that have advertised their
> existence. Yes?
>
> So, what would you expect to see under "Places--->Network" with regards
> to other Fedora or Linux systems? NFS shares? FTP servers? SSHD
> servers? Or do you just expect that their existence will be noted? I
> just want to understand what you see as working correctly.
>
> Thanks....
>
>
>

Well that is a little mysterious. Under the windows network you see the
various shaes ADMIN$ C$ print$. One expects to be able to login to any
of those shares. Although I admit I have yet to make that work. No
passwd I try works.

What I saw under F11 was icons for all the Fedora machines on the LAN
including the one I am on and I would expect to be able to open the icon
and login to the machine. You can do that using Places-> Connect to
Server but then yo need to know in advance the machines name or ip
address. Using Places->Network seems easier.
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:26 PM
Ed Greshko
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 22:46 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> I currently don't have an F11 system up and running...but will try to
>> get one up this week. But, I do have a question. When you open
>> "Places--->Network" you'd normally see "Windows Network" and under that
>> you'd find any Workgroups or Domains that have advertised their
>> existence. Yes?
>>
>> So, what would you expect to see under "Places--->Network" with regards
>> to other Fedora or Linux systems? NFS shares? FTP servers? SSHD
>> servers? Or do you just expect that their existence will be noted? I
>> just want to understand what you see as working correctly.
>>
>> Thanks....
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well that is a little mysterious. Under the windows network you see the
> various shaes ADMIN$ C$ print$. One expects to be able to login to any
> of those shares. Although I admit I have yet to make that work. No
> passwd I try works.
>
I see. Well, that is another thing.....
> What I saw under F11 was icons for all the Fedora machines on the LAN
> including the one I am on and I would expect to be able to open the icon
> and login to the machine. You can do that using Places-> Connect to
> Server but then yo need to know in advance the machines name or ip
> address. Using Places->Network seems easier.
>
OK.... But, I'm still not clear on one thing and I just like to make
sure.... When you say you can see the "icons for all the Fedora
machines on the LAN" you are saying you see them directly in the
"Places->Network" window and not "Places->Network->Windows Network".

And, when you say "login" do you mean actually login and get a shell
prompt or login and see files/folders that have been exported/shared?

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Old 02-02-2010, 08:50 PM
Bill Davidsen
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 22:46 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> Aaron Konstam wrote:
>>> I understand that creating a bugzilla entry is the only way developers
>>> can hear of a problem. But over and over I file a bugzilla and get no
>>> response.
>>>
>>> On 12/08/09 I filed a bugzilla about a problem that in both Gnome and
>>> Nautilus executing Places->Network reveals Windows machines on the LAN
>>> but not fedora machines. This worked correctly on F11 but not on f12.
>>>
>>> It has been 2 months , almost, since the bugzilla and I have seen no
>>> response. It is really frustrating. What is one supposed do? I have go
>>> real response to this problem from the list either.
>>>
>> It is true that you've no gotten a response on this list as well.
>>
>> I currently don't have an F11 system up and running...but will try to
>> get one up this week. But, I do have a question. When you open
>> "Places--->Network" you'd normally see "Windows Network" and under that
>> you'd find any Workgroups or Domains that have advertised their
>> existence. Yes?
>>
>> So, what would you expect to see under "Places--->Network" with regards
>> to other Fedora or Linux systems? NFS shares? FTP servers? SSHD
>> servers? Or do you just expect that their existence will be noted? I
>> just want to understand what you see as working correctly.
>>
>> Thanks....
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well that is a little mysterious. Under the windows network you see the
> various shaes ADMIN$ C$ print$. One expects to be able to login to any
> of those shares. Although I admit I have yet to make that work. No
> passwd I try works.
>
> What I saw under F11 was icons for all the Fedora machines on the LAN
> including the one I am on and I would expect to be able to open the icon
> and login to the machine. You can do that using Places-> Connect to
> Server but then yo need to know in advance the machines name or ip
> address. Using Places->Network seems easier.

I have to say that I don't see any Fedora machines on FC9, 10, 11, or 12 here,
nor would I expect to unless they were running SAMBA shares or whatever has
replaced that tech (haven't had to put a windows machine up here in several years).

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Old 02-03-2010, 08:33 AM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:35:05 -0600, Aaron wrote:

> I understand that creating a bugzilla entry is the only way developers
> can hear of a problem. But over and over I file a bugzilla and get no
> response.
>
> On 12/08/09 I filed a bugzilla about a problem that in both Gnome and
> Nautilus executing Places->Network reveals Windows machines on the LAN
> but not fedora machines. This worked correctly on F11 but not on f12.
>
> It has been 2 months , almost, since the bugzilla and I have seen no
> response. It is really frustrating. What is one supposed do? I have go
> real response to this problem from the list either.

See:

http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/nautilus

It may take some time. It may take much more time to see a reply or none.
Some people are overworked and flooded with hundreds of bug reports for
more than one package. Some packages are bug-infested. Sometimes it may
make more sense to also report a problem directly to the current
developers at the Nautilus project.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:43 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 05:26 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 22:46 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >
> >> I currently don't have an F11 system up and running...but will try to
> >> get one up this week. But, I do have a question. When you open
> >> "Places--->Network" you'd normally see "Windows Network" and under that
> >> you'd find any Workgroups or Domains that have advertised their
> >> existence. Yes?
> >>
> >> So, what would you expect to see under "Places--->Network" with regards
> >> to other Fedora or Linux systems? NFS shares? FTP servers? SSHD
> >> servers? Or do you just expect that their existence will be noted? I
> >> just want to understand what you see as working correctly.
> >>
> >> Thanks....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Well that is a little mysterious. Under the windows network you see the
> > various shaes ADMIN$ C$ print$. One expects to be able to login to any
> > of those shares. Although I admit I have yet to make that work. No
> > passwd I try works.
> >
> I see. Well, that is another thing.....
> > What I saw under F11 was icons for all the Fedora machines on the LAN
> > including the one I am on and I would expect to be able to open the icon
> > and login to the machine. You can do that using Places-> Connect to
> > Server but then yo need to know in advance the machines name or ip
> > address. Using Places->Network seems easier.
> >
> OK.... But, I'm still not clear on one thing and I just like to make
> sure.... When you say you can see the "icons for all the Fedora
> machines on the LAN" you are saying you see them directly in the
> "Places->Network" window and not "Places->Network->Windows Network".
>
In F11 when I go to Places->Network I see the icon for the Windows
Network and and icons for the Fedora Machines. Clicking on the Windows
Network makes it clear that it represents only the Windows machine.
Then you have icons for the Fedora machines. In F12 you see only the
Windows Network.

> And, when you say "login" do you mean actually login and get a shell
> prompt or login and see files/folders that have been exported/shared?
>
It has been so long since I have tried this with F11 I don't remember
what happens when you click on the Fedora machine icons. My assumption
is that the result is similar to ssh to the machine. That is basically
what happens when you click on the Windows Network icon except using
samba. I have only one Windows machine on my LAN so I don't know whether
you get separate icons for each Windows machine. I expect you do since
clicking on the icon reveals a window with the machine's name.


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Old 02-03-2010, 09:53 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 10:33 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:35:05 -0600, Aaron wrote:
>
> > I understand that creating a bugzilla entry is the only way developers
> > can hear of a problem. But over and over I file a bugzilla and get no
> > response.
> >
> > On 12/08/09 I filed a bugzilla about a problem that in both Gnome and
> > Nautilus executing Places->Network reveals Windows machines on the LAN
> > but not fedora machines. This worked correctly on F11 but not on f12.
> >
> > It has been 2 months , almost, since the bugzilla and I have seen no
> > response. It is really frustrating. What is one supposed do? I have go
> > real response to this problem from the list either.
>
> See:
>
> http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/nautilus
>
> It may take some time. It may take much more time to see a reply or none.
> Some people are overworked and flooded with hundreds of bug reports for
> more than one package. Some packages are bug-infested. Sometimes it may
> make more sense to also report a problem directly to the current
> developers at the Nautilus project.

Your posting reminds me of the old Yiddish tale of the couple who came
to the Rabbi to settlethewre differences, The husband told his side of
the conflict and the Rabbi replied,"You are right". Then the wife told
her side of the story and the Rabbi replied,"You are right". The Rabbi's
wife piped up and said, "they can't both be right". And the rabbi
replied "You are right".

Some of the points you are making are correct and some aren't. Your
suggestion that I should address my problems with nautilus to the
nautilus group is wrong. That is what bugzilla is supposed to do. I
can't take the time to learn the location of the developers of all the
1,000 -2,000 programs in a Linux distribution. Bugzilla is supposed to
channel my query to the right people.

You are correct that the developers are taxed to the limit to handle all
the complaints but if no action is taken on each complaint the whole
bugzilla system is questionable.

This problem was minor but in the past I was the system administrator of
a network of 80 Linux computers and a problem with one of the system
components failed and its failure was critical for the running of the
system. No response was offered to my bugzilla request until we were 2
versions further in the Linux development tree so the repose was
useless. Bugzilla can't be used with that kind of response time. And
that was my whole point.
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:05 PM
Sam Sharpe
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

On 3 February 2010 22:53, Aaron Konstam <akonstam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> This problem was minor but in the past I was the system administrator of
> a network of 80 Linux computers and a problem with one of the system
> components failed and its failure was critical for the running of the
> system. No response was offered to my bugzilla request until we were 2
> versions further in the Linux development tree so the repose was
> useless. Bugzilla can't *be used with that kind of response time. And
> that was my whole point.

Free software does not generally have an SLA, hence I don't believe
the Fedora Bugzilla advertises one either.

If you *need* it, then you need to use something which does have an
SLA - I would suggest that RHEL, SLES (or Ubuntu with a support
contract from Canonical) would be a better fit for someone who's
operation depends on a product and are is capable of contributing a
fix to the issue themselves.

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Old 02-04-2010, 12:34 PM
Aaron Konstam
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 23:05 +0000, Sam Sharpe wrote:
> On 3 February 2010 22:53, Aaron Konstam <akonstam@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > This problem was minor but in the past I was the system administrator of
> > a network of 80 Linux computers and a problem with one of the system
> > components failed and its failure was critical for the running of the
> > system. No response was offered to my bugzilla request until we were 2
> > versions further in the Linux development tree so the repose was
> > useless. Bugzilla can't be used with that kind of response time. And
> > that was my whole point.
>
> Free software does not generally have an SLA, hence I don't believe
> the Fedora Bugzilla advertises one either.
>
> If you *need* it, then you need to use something which does have an
> SLA - I would suggest that RHEL, SLES (or Ubuntu with a support
> contract from Canonical) would be a better fit for someone who's
> operation depends on a product and are is capable of contributing a
> fix to the issue themselves.
>
> --
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You are right no SLA in bugzilla. But is bugzilla does not imply a
reasonable effort on the part of the developers to try to fix problems
it is relatively useless to the users of Fedora.

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Old 02-04-2010, 01:47 PM
Michael Schwendt
 
Default What driives me crazy about bugzilla(att: Rahul)

On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:53:27 -0600, Aaron wrote:

> > http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/nautilus

> Some of the points you are making are correct and some aren't.

They are the truth.

> Your
> suggestion that I should address my problems with nautilus to the
> nautilus group is wrong.

Nah, it isn't wrong. It's a matter of fact. You can hope for a
Fedora bugzilla entry to be "enough". But there are no promises or
guarantees that every ticket will be dealt with "quickly enough" or
that every bug will be fixed "soon enough" to make you happy. It may
be that a bugzilla entry is forwarded to developers quickly, but the
actual fix takes so much time that you would still be unhappy.

> That is what bugzilla is supposed to do. I
> can't take the time to learn the location of the developers of all the
> 1,000 -2,000 programs in a Linux distribution. Bugzilla is supposed to
> channel my query to the right people.

Define "supposed". You are not in a paying-client relationship with the
Fedora Project. If something that is offered by the Fedora Project doesn't
meet your requirements, it may be necessary that you get involved beyond
reporting a problem. It may be that Nautilus (or any other package) is in
need of increased contributions from the [Fedora] community. Either
directly at the Fedora Project's Packaging sub-project or at the
Nautilus development project.

Don't get me wrong. I agree that tickets filed in bugzilla ought to lead
to something productive. It's just not feasible with some particular
software packages (and their quality) and an insufficient number of
volunteers to take over some of the work.

> You are correct that the developers are taxed to the limit to handle all
> the complaints but if no action is taken on each complaint the whole
> bugzilla system is questionable.

Yes, sure, it is questionable for some packages (aka "components" in
bugzilla) for several reasons. Just think about all the tickets that are
lost at distribution end-of-life because nobody has responded to NEEDINFO
queries.
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