Chris Smart wrote:
> 2010/1/15 j.halifax . <j.halifax@seznam.cz>:
>
>>> However under Fedora, I can't fund the pptpd package.
>>>
>> Yes. yum says me "No package pptpd available."
>> Thank you.
>>
>
> You can download the source yourself and build it:
> http://poptop.sourceforge.net/
>
> It has a sample pptpd.conf which you can edit.
>
>
>
I really don't understand the conundrum.

The standard vpn server on a Windows box uses pptp. So, when I want my
linux box to access a windows system I use a pptp client on my linux box
to create a vpn tunnel to the windows system that is running a pptp server.

When I want a windows system to access/create a vpn tunnel I have my
linux box running the openvpn server and the windows box using an
openvpn client.

So, the question is simply "what side do you want to be the server, and
what side the client".


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On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 09:07 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Chris Smart wrote:
> > 2010/1/15 j.halifax . <j.halifax@seznam.cz>:
> >
> >>> However under Fedora, I can't fund the pptpd package.
> >>>
> >> Yes. yum says me "No package pptpd available."
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >
> > You can download the source yourself and build it:
> > http://poptop.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > It has a sample pptpd.conf which you can edit.
> >
> >
> >
> I really don't understand the conundrum.
>
> The standard vpn server on a Windows box uses pptp. So, when I want my
> linux box to access a windows system I use a pptp client on my linux box
> to create a vpn tunnel to the windows system that is running a pptp server.
>
> When I want a windows system to access/create a vpn tunnel I have my
> linux box running the openvpn server and the windows box using an
> openvpn client.
>
> So, the question is simply "what side do you want to be the server, and
> what side the client".
----
I think they want to actually set up a pptp server on Linux - c'est la
vie. Apparently pptpd has never been packaged in Fedora but it is
available as part of RHEL.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350381

I don't understand why. I tend to use RHEL or CentOS for servers so I
was unaware of this.

Craig


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2010/1/15 Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@greshko.com>:
> I really don't understand the conundrum.

Pretty sure his first post says that he wants to connect *to* a Linux
server *from* a client using the Windows VPN protocol.
This means he wants to run a PPTP server on the Linux box so that
clients can connect to it.

Why he wants to do that I'm not sure, but that's not my call :-) He's
looking into openswan now apparently..

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> So, the question is simply "what side do you want to be the server, and
> what side the client".

The server should run on Linux side. I believed that it implied from
the Subject's "connect ... to Linux"; but I should say that explicitely.
you are right.
L

> ------------ PůvodnÃ* zpráva ------------
> Od: Ed Greshko <Ed.Greshko@greshko.com>
> Předmět: Re: Connect Standard Windows VPN to Linux box
> Datum: 15.1.2010 02:09:13
> ----------------------------------------
> Chris Smart wrote:
> > 2010/1/15 j.halifax . <j.halifax@seznam.cz>:
> >
> >>> However under Fedora, I can't fund the pptpd package.
> >>>
> >> Yes. yum says me "No package pptpd available."
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >
> > You can download the source yourself and build it:
> > http://poptop.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > It has a sample pptpd.conf which you can edit.
> >
> >
> >
> I really don't understand the conundrum.
>
> The standard vpn server on a Windows box uses pptp. So, when I want my
> linux box to access a windows system I use a pptp client on my linux box
> to create a vpn tunnel to the windows system that is running a pptp server.
>
> When I want a windows system to access/create a vpn tunnel I have my
> linux box running the openvpn server and the windows box using an
> openvpn client.
>
> So, the question is simply "what side do you want to be the server, and
> what side the client".
>
>
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j.halifax . wrote:
>> So, the question is simply "what side do you want to be the server, and
>> what side the client".
>>
>
> The server should run on Linux side. I believed that it implied from
> the Subject's "connect ... to Linux"; but I should say that explicitely.
> you are right.
>
It wasn't clear to me.....

Anyway, Windows natively supports PPTP and L2TP on the client side.
openswan is a L2TP server. So, you should be just fine with that.

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> I don't understand why. I tend to use RHEL or CentOS for servers so I
> was unaware of this.

Paul Horwatyh said (in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350381):

===
The poptop server has to the best of my knowledge never been packaged as
part of Fedora.

The client is commonly used for connecting to MS-based company VPNs and
in some countries for ADSL client connections; there is not such a clear need
for the server since a better, more secure solution is available in the form of
openvpn. Having said that, if somebody was to package up poptop and volunteer
to maintain it in Fedora, I doubt that there would be any serious objections.
===

That's true, but if one wished to access openvpn server e.g. from Internet Cafe
(when he is on the leave or business trip), he would have to install the
openvpn client there, right? - That would be hard.

More, because Linux become much more reliable comparing to Windows,
Windows are being ditched from server side fields. That's also our cause.
We need to remove the all boxes of the Windows platform in the server
side field. The reliability of Linux v. Windows become incomparable.

(For example:I made some prepaid card solution for one ISP and 3.5 years after
I left the ISP they called me. They needed to add some function but nobody knew
where the solution was running because nobody has touched it ever. That's what
rathe none can experience with Windows.)

L


> ------------ PůvodnÃ* zpráva ------------
> Od: Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> Předmět: Re: Connect Standard Windows VPN to Linux box
> Datum: 15.1.2010 02:15:17
> ----------------------------------------
> On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 09:07 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > Chris Smart wrote:
> > > 2010/1/15 j.halifax . <j.halifax@seznam.cz>:
> > >
> > >>> However under Fedora, I can't fund the pptpd package.
> > >>>
> > >> Yes. yum says me "No package pptpd available."
> > >> Thank you.
> > >>
> > >
> > > You can download the source yourself and build it:
> > > http://poptop.sourceforge.net/
> > >
> > > It has a sample pptpd.conf which you can edit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I really don't understand the conundrum.
> >
> > The standard vpn server on a Windows box uses pptp. So, when I want my
> > linux box to access a windows system I use a pptp client on my linux box
> > to create a vpn tunnel to the windows system that is running a pptp server.
> >
> > When I want a windows system to access/create a vpn tunnel I have my
> > linux box running the openvpn server and the windows box using an
> > openvpn client.
> >
> > So, the question is simply "what side do you want to be the server, and
> > what side the client".
> ----
> I think they want to actually set up a pptp server on Linux - c'est la
> vie. Apparently pptpd has never been packaged in Fedora but it is
> available as part of RHEL.
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350381
>
> I don't understand why. I tend to use RHEL or CentOS for servers so I
> was unaware of this.
>
> Craig
>
>
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j.halifax . wrote:
>>I don't understand why. I tend to use RHEL or CentOS for servers so I
>>was unaware of this.
>
>
> Paul Horwatyh said (in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350381):
>
> ===
> The poptop server has to the best of my knowledge never been packaged as
> part of Fedora.
>
> The client is commonly used for connecting to MS-based company VPNs and
> in some countries for ADSL client connections; there is not such a clear need
> for the server since a better, more secure solution is available in the form of
> openvpn. Having said that, if somebody was to package up poptop and volunteer
> to maintain it in Fedora, I doubt that there would be any serious objections.
> ===
>
> That's true, but if one wished to access openvpn server e.g. from Internet Cafe
> (when he is on the leave or business trip), he would have to install the
> openvpn client there, right? - That would be hard.
>
> More, because Linux become much more reliable comparing to Windows,
> Windows are being ditched from server side fields. That's also our cause.
> We need to remove the all boxes of the Windows platform in the server
> side field. The reliability of Linux v. Windows become incomparable.
>
> (For example:I made some prepaid card solution for one ISP and 3.5 years after
> I left the ISP they called me. They needed to add some function but nobody knew
> where the solution was running because nobody has touched it ever. That's what
> rathe none can experience with Windows.)
----
I think that pptp is generally regarded as low quality, insecure vpn
tunnel and that Windows L2TP is a much better implementation as is openvpn.

I don't necessarily have a 'cause' and I use Linux because it works, it
is free and it is generally easier to maintain. To some extent,
Microsoft has fixed Windows Server and improved security on the desktop
OS versions to a point where it is reasonable to use them... but I still
prefer Linux.

Craig


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> I think that pptp is generally regarded as low quality, insecure vpn
> tunnel and that Windows L2TP is a much better implementation as is openvpn.
As for some external points of views I would agree, but I can not compare
how they are made "inside". The necessity of having to install openvpn client on
MSW makes its use inconvenient in that field. Have you any experience with
openswan ?

>
> Microsoft has fixed Windows Server and improved security on the desktop
> OS versions to a point where it is reasonable to use them... but I still
> prefer Linux.
I was speaking about my own experience only. Wherever I have been working
in last 10 years (ISP, APS company, telecom) we had to ditch Windows to stop
operation problems. Linux is nice and extremely reliable (as my example below
documented).
L


> ------------ PůvodnÃ* zpráva ------------
> Od: Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>
> Předmět: Re: Connect Standard Windows VPN to Linux box
> Datum: 15.1.2010 15:00:04
> ----------------------------------------
> j.halifax . wrote:
> >>I don't understand why. I tend to use RHEL or CentOS for servers so I
> >>was unaware of this.
> >
> >
> > Paul Horwatyh said (in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=350381):
> >
> > ===
> > The poptop server has to the best of my knowledge never been packaged as
> > part of Fedora.
> >
> > The client is commonly used for connecting to MS-based company VPNs and
> > in some countries for ADSL client connections; there is not such a clear need
>
> > for the server since a better, more secure solution is available in the form
> of
> > openvpn. Having said that, if somebody was to package up poptop and volunteer
>
> > to maintain it in Fedora, I doubt that there would be any serious objections.
> > ===
> >
> > That's true, but if one wished to access openvpn server e.g. from Internet
> Cafe
> > (when he is on the leave or business trip), he would have to install the
> > openvpn client there, right? - That would be hard.
> >
> > More, because Linux become much more reliable comparing to Windows,
> > Windows are being ditched from server side fields. That's also our cause.
> > We need to remove the all boxes of the Windows platform in the server
> > side field. The reliability of Linux v. Windows become incomparable.
> >
> > (For example:I made some prepaid card solution for one ISP and 3.5 years after
>
> > I left the ISP they called me. They needed to add some function but nobody
> knew
> > where the solution was running because nobody has touched it ever. That's what
>
> > rathe none can experience with Windows.)
> ----
> I think that pptp is generally regarded as low quality, insecure vpn
> tunnel and that Windows L2TP is a much better implementation as is openvpn.
>
> I don't necessarily have a 'cause' and I use Linux because it works, it
> is free and it is generally easier to maintain. To some extent,
> Microsoft has fixed Windows Server and improved security on the desktop
> OS versions to a point where it is reasonable to use them... but I still
> prefer Linux.
>
> Craig
>
>
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2010/1/16 Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>:

> I think that pptp is generally regarded as low quality, insecure vpn
> tunnel and that Windows L2TP is a much better implementation as is openvpn.

Agreed, but is L2TP routable behind NAT?

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Chris Smart wrote:
> 2010/1/16 Craig White <craigwhite@azapple.com>:
>
>
>>I think that pptp is generally regarded as low quality, insecure vpn
>>tunnel and that Windows L2TP is a much better implementation as is openvpn.
>
>
> Agreed, but is L2TP routable behind NAT?
----
it is on Windows server - only place I ever set it up.

Craig

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