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Old 12-28-2007, 01:23 PM
"Robert P. J. Day"
 
Default Jigdo (was Installing from the 3 DVD fedora 8 "Everything" re-spin

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Beartooth wrote:

... snip ...

> Meanwhile, the .iso.tmp file has already been renamed to plain
> .iso. (It still shows a padlock, and I haven't tried to open it; but
> Properties shows it belongs to root. So I should be able to chown it
> and look in it.)

what i noticed that seemed a bit odd was that, predictably, as the
build was progressing, the size of the .iso.tmp file was a fixed
3901210562 bytes (3.8G or so), as the "holes" in the image were being
filled. but if i look at the *final* ISO image, its size is only
3901112320. marginally smaller. is there something stripped from the
temp image to get the final ISO? it seems to work, i just don't know
what was removed in going from .iso.tmp to .iso.

> I trust you experts therefore predict that, if I burn it aright,
> it will boot.

i have, in fact, installed the respin on one of my laptops, so
that's a data point.

> So what will it install?? Alas! How do I tell?? I don't
> have a machine running anything but F8 updated -- the hard way -- any
> more ....

this is a bit annoying -- if you boot from that respin, there
appears to be no indication that this is not the original F8 release.
would it be that difficult to perhaps change the boot screen to say
something like that, just as a brief verification?

> Wait a minute; wait a minute! Jigdo now says (after a blank line
> below the passage about interrupting) :
>
> OK: Checksums match, image is good!

that means it worked.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Images offered by `':
> 1: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD1.iso
> 2: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD2.iso
> 3: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD3.iso
> 4: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD4.iso
> 5: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD5.iso
> 6: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-DVD.iso
> 7: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD1.iso
> 8: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD2.iso
> 9: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD3.iso
> 10: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD4.iso
> 11: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD5.iso
> 12: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD6.iso
> 13: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-DVD.iso
> 14: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD1.iso
> 15: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD2.iso
> 16: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD3.iso
> 17: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD4.iso
> 18: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD5.iso
> 19: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD6.iso
> 20: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-DVD.iso
> 21: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-source-DVD.iso
> Number of image to download:
>
> Do I really have to get and use *three* *DVDs* just to install F8
> now, instead of the one I used before?? Someone here seems to think so.

no, i just did the one (image 13). all jigdo-lite is asking you is
if you want to do yet *another* image. i think. once i got that
"Checksums match, image is good" message, i just killed jigdo-lite.

rday
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Old 12-28-2007, 02:20 PM
Gene Heskett
 
Default Jigdo (was Installing from the 3 DVD fedora 8 "Everything" re-spin

On Friday 28 December 2007, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Beartooth wrote:
>
>... snip ...
>
>> Meanwhile, the .iso.tmp file has already been renamed to plain
>> .iso. (It still shows a padlock, and I haven't tried to open it; but
>> Properties shows it belongs to root. So I should be able to chown it
>> and look in it.)
>
> what i noticed that seemed a bit odd was that, predictably, as the
>build was progressing, the size of the .iso.tmp file was a fixed
>3901210562 bytes (3.8G or so), as the "holes" in the image were being
>filled. but if i look at the *final* ISO image, its size is only
>3901112320. marginally smaller. is there something stripped from the
>temp image to get the final ISO? it seems to work, i just don't know
>what was removed in going from .iso.tmp to .iso.
>
>> I trust you experts therefore predict that, if I burn it aright,
>> it will boot.
>
> i have, in fact, installed the respin on one of my laptops, so
>that's a data point.
>
>> So what will it install?? Alas! How do I tell?? I don't
>> have a machine running anything but F8 updated -- the hard way -- any
>> more ....
>
> this is a bit annoying -- if you boot from that respin, there
>appears to be no indication that this is not the original F8 release.
>would it be that difficult to perhaps change the boot screen to say
>something like that, just as a brief verification?
>
>> Wait a minute; wait a minute! Jigdo now says (after a blank line
>> below the passage about interrupting) :
>>
>> OK: Checksums match, image is good!
>
>that means it worked.
>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Images offered by `':
>> 1: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD1.iso
>> 2: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD2.iso
>> 3: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD3.iso
>> 4: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD4.iso
>> 5: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-CD5.iso
>> 6: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-i386-DVD.iso
>> 7: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD1.iso
>> 8: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD2.iso
>> 9: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD3.iso
>> 10: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD4.iso
>> 11: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD5.iso
>> 12: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-CD6.iso
>> 13: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-x86_64-DVD.iso
>> 14: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD1.iso
>> 15: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD2.iso
>> 16: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD3.iso
>> 17: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD4.iso
>> 18: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD5.iso
>> 19: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-CD6.iso
>> 20: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-ppc-DVD.iso
>> 21: Fedora-Unity-20071218-8-source-DVD.iso
>> Number of image to download:
>>
>> Do I really have to get and use *three* *DVDs* just to install F8
>> now, instead of the one I used before?? Someone here seems to think so.
>
> no, i just did the one (image 13). all jigdo-lite is asking you is
>if you want to do yet *another* image. i think. once i got that
>"Checksums match, image is good" message, i just killed jigdo-lite.
>
And I pulled all (because it couldn't find the previous respin I had mounted
as /media/dvd) of #6 yesterday, getting the same message at the end. Now, as
I have an AMD64 turion equipt lappy, I've restarted it for #13, and this time
giving it just /media as the path to the older respin of 32 bit stuffs. It
either couldn't find it or was happy, didn't say, as it went immediately
after the template file. These will fill a 3" cd by themselves as they are
in the vicinity of 192 megs each.

Now, I am gonna fuss about jigdo-lite a wee bit. If you make a typo and try
to backspace to fix it, its screen echo gets all confused, and you may as
well ctl-c it and do an ls so you can copy/paste the pathname of the .jigdo
file on the next invocation.

Either that, or the terminal program supplied with KDE-3.5.8 is broken, it
also tends to leave underscore like trash at the bottom of the screen, like
its scroll routines miss one scan line.

Aha! It pulled the template file, and is now happily scanning all the i386
stuff on the local dvd. It won't find an x64 stuffs, but at least its
working in case it should. That BTW, is a first ever for jigdo-lite here.
Previously it has always pulled the full contents every time because it
couldn't find the local dvd. As it will of course this time, but at least
I've learned how to tell it where the referenced disk is successfully now.
So that is one small step for this man. Now if I can just not suffer from
the CRS syndrome & remember that next time.

Silly Q dept: I have already installed the i386 version via the update
method, on this lappy. Is it possible to "update" this i386 F8 install to
the x86_64 F8 install I'm now pulling?

It would make a good test of the 64 compatibilities if so. Particularly since
it has a bcm4318 radio in it, which has been a problem child from the gitgo
and has gotten no better with the i386 version of F8 installed. I've not
fully grokked how to use the b43 module yet, up to now I've always used the
drivers for the apsta and ndiswrapper. That can be made to work, but has a
tendency to 'stumble over its own shoelaces' at maybe 4 mbaud max even when
its only 3 feet away from DD-WRT.

>rday
>--
>================================================= =======================
>Robert P. J. Day
>Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry
>Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA
>
>http://crashcourse.ca
>================================================= =======================



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Old 12-28-2007, 05:03 PM
Beartooth
 
Default Jigdo (was Installing from the 3 DVD fedora 8 "Everything" re-spin

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:23:12 -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Beartooth wrote:
>
> ... snip ...

>> I trust you experts therefore predict that, if I burn it aright, it
>> will boot.
>
> i have, in fact, installed the respin on one of my laptops, so
> that's a data point.
>
>> So what will it install?? Alas! How do I tell?? I don't have a machine
>> running anything but F8 updated -- the hard way -- any more ....
>
> this is a bit annoying -- if you boot from that respin, there
> appears to be no indication that this is not the original F8 release.
> would it be that difficult to perhaps change the boot screen to say
> something like that, just as a brief verification?

I burned one DVD from it, using brasero, and asked it to confirm;
it said it found errors. So I tried to boot one machine from it, anyway;
it did boot, and launched anaconda, looking normal; I told it to do the
media check; it also found errors -- and warned me against installing.

I'm assuming the problem was either something wrong with the DVD
(an old RW that I tried to re-use), or possibly with Brasero. I'll try
again, with a new DVD.

Meanwhile, I've thought of two ways to check *what* it installs.

The quick way, with a little bit of luck, is that one of the nice
Fedora-Unity people here may tell us two or three of all those rpms to
look at, ones added in most recently, and what versions they should be.

The slow way will be to leave one machine un-updated for a week
or so, then try a good DVD in it, and see if it'll upgrade -- unconnected
to the Net. If it does, it's a respin, right? If so, perhaps we may
presume that the "20071218" in its name is the date of respinning?

>> Wait a minute; wait a minute! Jigdo now says (after a blank line
>> below the passage about interrupting) :
>>
>> OK: Checksums match, image is good!
>
> that means it worked.
>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
[...]
>>
>> Do I really have to get and use *three* *DVDs* just to install F8
>> now, instead of the one I used before?? Someone here seems to think so.
>
> no, i just did the one (image 13). all jigdo-lite is asking you is
> if you want to do yet *another* image. i think. once i got that
> "Checksums match, image is good" message, i just killed jigdo-lite.

OK, I'm off to see the Wizard -- no, scratch that : off to see
what a new DVD will do, with brasero, k3b, or nautilus. Stay tuned; maybe
it'll tell something before Anaconda goes all the way ....

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Dillo 0.8.6, Galeon 2.0.3, Epiphany 2.20, Opera 9.24, Firefox 2.0
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