Martin Marques wrote:

Aaron Konstam escribió:

On Tue, 2007-12-25 at 19:47 +0100, Nigel Henry wrote:

On Tuesday 25 December 2007 19:29, Louis E Garcia II wrote:
just received a new DVD and wanted to play it. Fedora8 and totem
said I

didn't have the proper plugin. I already have gstreamer-ffmpeg and
gstreamer-plugins-ugly from livna. Is gstreamer-plugins-bad also
needed?

I do not want to change to xine or mplayer if possible. This is the
Simpsons Movie and is encrypted so libdvdcss is needed to.

-Thanks
Hi Louis. VLC plays them ok. I've never had any success with totem,
and gave up on it.


Nigel.


You need to get rid of totem and install totem-xine. The program still
executes as totem.


Then why is totem still there as a package?


It gives you experience deleting a whole package :-)

I was where you are a while back and nothing worked for sound or
pictures. Then I got VLC and deleted totem and have never looked back.


Karl


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On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 17:44 +0530, Abhishek Rane wrote:
> Then people
> would totally shift to linux instead of windows!!!

Only people who knows Linux already Fedora and other distros are way
to complicated for the normal user still. To many things that doesn't
work out of the box. My mother would never be able to use it, unless I
spend a good weekend setting it up for her etc.

The normal user just want to "plug it in and play", and Linux is not
there yet, still have a long way to go.

However, I am very happy with Fedora as it is now, perfect for my
development work and reading emails etc.

/Peter

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On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:03:13 +0200
Peter Lauri <peterlauri@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 17:44 +0530, Abhishek Rane wrote:
> > Then people
> > would totally shift to linux instead of windows!!!
>
> Only people who knows Linux already Fedora and other distros are way
> to complicated for the normal user still. To many things that doesn't
> work out of the box. My mother would never be able to use it, unless I
> spend a good weekend setting it up for her etc.
>
> The normal user just want to "plug it in and play", and Linux is not
> there yet, still have a long way to go.
>
> However, I am very happy with Fedora as it is now, perfect for my
> development work and reading emails etc.
>
> /Peter
>
> --
If fedora is not 'plug n play' what distro would you reccommend for one's mother then ?


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On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 07:23 -0600, lostson wrote:
> If fedora is not 'plug n play' what distro would you reccommend for
> one's mother then ?

I am sad to say it, but with 99.99% chance Windows XP

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Peter Lauri wrote:

On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 07:23 -0600, lostson wrote:


If fedora is not 'plug n play' what distro would you reccommend for
one's mother then ?



I am sad to say it, but with 99.99% chance Windows XP


Also Ubuntu is catching up these days and I won't be surprised even if
they come up with a distro for moms specially...tux4mom lolz :-)


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> Peter Lauri wrote:
>> On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 07:23 -0600, lostson wrote:
>>
>>> If fedora is not 'plug n play' what distro would you reccommend for
>>> one's mother then ?
>>>
>>
>> I am sad to say it, but with 99.99% chance Windows XP
>>
>>
> Also Ubuntu is catching up these days and I won't be surprised even if
> they come up with a distro for moms specially...tux4mom lolz :-)

Actually I use Fedora with a handful of rpms from other less authorized
sources. It plays 95% of the media I want to play. (I still see problems
with some wma files. Some I question as to if they are trojaned anyways.)

Windows XP on the other hand plays very little. If it does not understand
the codec (and that happens a lot) it does a web search and then errors
out with a "cannot find a codec for this media". VLC on Windows does a
much better job than Windows media player, but that is an extra download,
and also available for Linux and OS X. With Windows it might work if you
buy something. Then again, it might not.

Somehow Windows got a reputation for "it just works". It is total
nonsense. Most of the time you have to track down obscure pieces to make
things work. And sometimes the options it provides are less than useful.

The claim that "Windows is easier to install than Linux" is also pretty
bogus. I spent the weekend getting Windows XP Por installed on a machine
for my wife. It was my old desktop machine that had run Linux with no
problems for the last year. Windows could not find the Ethernet driver,
the sound card driver, or the correct video driver. I had to download
what I could find. With Linux I can find out what something is without
opening the case. If Windows does not have a driver for a device, it
gives you no clues as to what it is. You have to open up the box. (And
then hope you can find a driver on the vendor's site. Not always
possible.) With Linux, all those devices "just worked". I never did find
a correct driver for the EMU10k1 sound card. (Creative Labs Live 5.1
Digital. None of the drivers would load.)

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Alan wrote:

Peter Lauri wrote:


On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 07:23 -0600, lostson wrote:



If fedora is not 'plug n play' what distro would you reccommend for
one's mother then ?



I am sad to say it, but with 99.99% chance Windows XP




Also Ubuntu is catching up these days and I won't be surprised even if
they come up with a distro for moms specially...tux4mom lolz :-)



Actually I use Fedora with a handful of rpms from other less authorized
sources. It plays 95% of the media I want to play. (I still see problems
with some wma files. Some I question as to if they are trojaned anyways.)

Windows XP on the other hand plays very little. If it does not understand
the codec (and that happens a lot) it does a web search and then errors
out with a "cannot find a codec for this media". VLC on Windows does a
much better job than Windows media player, but that is an extra download,
and also available for Linux and OS X. With Windows it might work if you
buy something. Then again, it might not.

Somehow Windows got a reputation for "it just works". It is total
nonsense. Most of the time you have to track down obscure pieces to make
things work. And sometimes the options it provides are less than useful.

The claim that "Windows is easier to install than Linux" is also pretty
bogus. I spent the weekend getting Windows XP Por installed on a machine
for my wife. It was my old desktop machine that had run Linux with no
problems for the last year. Windows could not find the Ethernet driver,
the sound card driver, or the correct video driver. I had to download
what I could find. With Linux I can find out what something is without
opening the case. If Windows does not have a driver for a device, it
gives you no clues as to what it is. You have to open up the box. (And
then hope you can find a driver on the vendor's site. Not always
possible.) With Linux, all those devices "just worked". I never did find
a correct driver for the EMU10k1 sound card. (Creative Labs Live 5.1
Digital. None of the drivers would load.)


Yes absolutely correct,imagine the horror of losing your soundcard
driver cd and installing xp..Searching the right drivers may take
hours..Hardware engineers have to roam with a bagful of driver cds and
try them out on the stupid thing and if something goes wrong then BSOD
shows up...A little problem in the CDROM device or the HDD can screw up
a windows xp installation big time...Also we have to buy MS office
separately in case of XP but linux has Openofffice built in....People
have a misconception linux doesnt support anything but thats totally false


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Alan wrote:


The claim that "Windows is easier to install than Linux" is also pretty
bogus. I spent the weekend getting Windows XP Por installed on a machine
for my wife. It was my old desktop machine that had run Linux with no
problems for the last year. Windows could not find the Ethernet driver,
the sound card driver, or the correct video driver. I had to download
what I could find. With Linux I can find out what something is without
opening the case. If Windows does not have a driver for a device, it
gives you no clues as to what it is. You have to open up the box. (And
then hope you can find a driver on the vendor's site. Not always
possible.) With Linux, all those devices "just worked". I never did find
a correct driver for the EMU10k1 sound card. (Creative Labs Live 5.1
Digital. None of the drivers would load.)


Ha ha ha

I have been doing almost the same thing over the Christmas holiday. Had
a friend who had a hard drive problem with Windows XP on it (stopped
booting). He cannot find the original disk nor does he have the CD Key
written down anywhere. I had to dive into the hard drive with another
machine, pull the ntuser.dat file, use an external program to load the
hive, find the encoded bytes containing the key, run them through a
decoder, then go through SIX installation disks retrieved from various
places just to find one which would accept the still legitimate key.
Madness. Of course, after getting Windows installed, I had to run down
the usual drivers (some of which are VERY old) and get them installed
too. Then I got to do the "Update, Reboot, More Updates, Reboot, More
Updates, Reboot, More Updates, Reboot" dance.


I should have told him it was a lost cause, saved myself a lot of grief,
and just had him run Linux. :-)


Patrick



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Alan wrote:

> Somehow Windows got a reputation for "it just works". It is total
> nonsense. Most of the time you have to track down obscure pieces to make
> things work. And sometimes the options it provides are less than useful.
>
> The claim that "Windows is easier to install than Linux" is also pretty
> bogus.

I think the truth lies somewhere between the two.
Windows is more likely to work with strange hardware,
but if it doesn't work it is much more difficult to fix,
and there may well be no solution.
With Linux there is usually a solution,
though it may be at the end of a long tunnel.

Also Windows is easier to install,
but if it doesn't install you (or at least I) are stumped.
With Linux there are always 5 other ways to try.


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Timothy Murphy wrote:

Alan wrote:



Somehow Windows got a reputation for "it just works". It is total
nonsense. Most of the time you have to track down obscure pieces to make
things work. And sometimes the options it provides are less than useful.

The claim that "Windows is easier to install than Linux" is also pretty
bogus.



I think the truth lies somewhere between the two.
Windows is more likely to work with strange hardware,
but if it doesn't work it is much more difficult to fix,
and there may well be no solution.
With Linux there is usually a solution,
though it may be at the end of a long tunnel.

Also Windows is easier to install,
but if it doesn't install you (or at least I) are stumped.
With Linux there are always 5 other ways to try.



Ya exactly one more point will be that Linux is easy to use but
easier to screw up for a normal user,it's not that ignorant friendly
while Windows is very ignorant or n00b friendly stuff what we call
making it difficult for a "normal" user to screw up..That's where
Microsoft scores..people want it to work quickly and easily...If we look
at Vista which is not doing quite well as expected, the reason behind
that is the less user friendly nature of Vista as compared to Xp..Those
stupid buggy things which keep popping up every now and then are infact
making people more keen on exploring Linux.(PS:Everex GPC). Morever DRM
is the worst part which is killing Vista sales...If their next
installment (Vienna I suppose) fails then we might almost see 20% of the
desktop market owned by Linux.!


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