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Old 12-22-2011, 05:54 PM
Joe Zeff
 
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On 12/22/2011 07:41 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:

Just did it on an F15 > F16,
rsyslog came up enabled and running.
Admittedly I did "yum update" on the box.


I just saw that the url I gave for the BZ was incomplete:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769918

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Old 12-22-2011, 05:56 PM
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just did it on an F15 > F16,
> rsyslog came up enabled and running.
> Admittedly I did "yum update" on the box.

rsyslog was converted to systemd in F15, so F15->F16 would have just
retained the enabled state in systemd.

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Old 12-22-2011, 05:58 PM
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On 22.12.2011 19:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 07:17 AM, Tim wrote:
>> "The rule for migration to systemd is to "start-over fresh" with default
>> start and stop policy from the new package, and not to migrate what the
>> user had previously configured."
>
> In other words, the new rule is to assume that whoever set the system up
> and runs it doesn't know what they're doing

the assumtion seems to be right in your case

sorry, but if you make a dist-upgrade and need from Dec 6 until Dec 21
that the syslogd is not running (why does not matter in this context)
your smallest problem is any change / bug

years ago i saw cases where iptables did not start after changes
on the system which is in the first line the most important service
directly followed by the log-daemon and if you recognize such things
randomly weeks later you should consider learn how to manage a OS

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Old 12-22-2011, 06:03 PM
Frank Murphy
 
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On 22/12/11 18:56, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Frank Murphy<frankly3d@gmail.com> wrote:

Just did it on an F15> F16,
rsyslog came up enabled and running.
Admittedly I did "yum update" on the box.


rsyslog was converted to systemd in F15, so F15->F16 would have just
retained the enabled state in systemd.

-T.C.


That explains a lot.
Actually forgot that.

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Old 12-22-2011, 06:24 PM
Claude Jones
 
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On 12/22/2011 1:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

I just saw that the url I gave for the BZ was incomplete:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769918


thanks, just added a comment to confirm your report

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Old 12-22-2011, 07:51 PM
Joe Zeff
 
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On 12/22/2011 10:44 AM, Claude Jones wrote:

I tried, but your link just took me into the login page; I logged in and
then I got an error saying "You must specify a product first" - Tried a
second time, but only got a blank bug reporting page ready to be filled
in - no trace in all of this of your bug report - actually, looking at
your link, I see why - it's not a link to any particular bug report


Yes. I've since posted a corrected link, but just to be safe I'll post
it again: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769918

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Old 12-22-2011, 07:57 PM
Joe Zeff
 
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On 12/22/2011 10:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:


On 22.12.2011 19:40, Joe Zeff wrote:

> On 12/22/2011 07:17 AM, Tim wrote:

>> "The rule for migration to systemd is to "start-over fresh" with default
>> start and stop policy from the new package, and not to migrate what the
>> user had previously configured."

>
> In other words, the new rule is to assume that whoever set the system up
> and runs it doesn't know what they're doing

the assumtion seems to be right in your case

sorry, but if you make a dist-upgrade and need from Dec 6 until Dec 21
that the syslogd is not running (why does not matter in this context)
your smallest problem is any change / bug


Actually, I'd not noticed it sooner because I hadn't any reason to check
until yesterday. For most of that time I had far bigger things to worry
about, such as why I couldn't get into X, why my sound still doesn't
work, why I can only mount USB drives or CDs as root (and I still can't
get USB drives world writable.) and trying to clean up all of the
duplicate packages left by a hung install. Yesterday, while looking
into the USB/CD issue I happened to stumble on the rsyslog issue. Tell
me, Tim, how often do you need to examine /var/log/messages?

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Old 12-22-2011, 08:01 PM
Joe Zeff
 
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On 12/22/2011 11:24 AM, Claude Jones wrote:

On 12/22/2011 1:54 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

I just saw that the url I gave for the BZ was incomplete:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=769918


thanks, just added a comment to confirm your report



Great! I see that you got hit going from F15 to F16. How did you do
the upgrade? We might find a pattern.

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Old 12-22-2011, 08:04 PM
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On 22.12.2011 21:57, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/22/2011 10:58 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>
>> On 22.12.2011 19:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
>>> > On 12/22/2011 07:17 AM, Tim wrote:
>>>> >> "The rule for migration to systemd is to "start-over fresh" with default
>>>> >> start and stop policy from the new package, and not to migrate what the
>>>> >> user had previously configured."
>>> >
>>> > In other words, the new rule is to assume that whoever set the system up
>>> > and runs it doesn't know what they're doing
>> the assumtion seems to be right in your case
>>
>> sorry, but if you make a dist-upgrade and need from Dec 6 until Dec 21
>> that the syslogd is not running (why does not matter in this context)
>> your smallest problem is any change / bug
>
> Actually, I'd not noticed it sooner because I hadn't any reason to check until yesterday. For most of that time I
> had far bigger things to worry about, such as why I couldn't get into X, why my sound still doesn't work, why I can
> only mount USB drives or CDs as root (and I still can't get USB drives world writable.) and trying to clean up all
> of the duplicate packages left by a hung install. Yesterday, while looking into the USB/CD issue I happened to
> stumble on the rsyslog issue. Tell me, Tim, how often do you need to examine /var/log/messages?

EVERY DAY multiple times i check "dmesg" and "/var/log/messages"
on 20 production and around 10 test setups

why? because i am responsible for perfect running systems
no matter if they are test-machines, my workstations or high
important production servers

however, do not check this after dist-upgrades is a epic-fail

how do you debig all the other problems you wrote about if least
your syslog does not work?

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Old 12-22-2011, 08:16 PM
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On 2011/12/22 10:58, Reindl Harald wrote:



On 22.12.2011 19:40, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 12/22/2011 07:17 AM, Tim wrote:

"The rule for migration to systemd is to "start-over fresh" with default
start and stop policy from the new package, and not to migrate what the
user had previously configured."


In other words, the new rule is to assume that whoever set the system up
and runs it doesn't know what they're doing


the assumtion seems to be right in your case

sorry, but if you make a dist-upgrade and need from Dec 6 until Dec 21
that the syslogd is not running (why does not matter in this context)
your smallest problem is any change / bug

years ago i saw cases where iptables did not start after changes
on the system which is in the first line the most important service
directly followed by the log-daemon and if you recognize such things
randomly weeks later you should consider learn how to manage a OS


Careful sir, you just stepped into the brown pile the doggie left.

One could observe that Windows tends to get this right. One could observe
your attitude matches with "It was hard to write, it should be hard to use!"
One could observe that this is a sign of acceptance of sloppiness. And there
are more things one could observe about your comment that reflect poorly on
you or Linux. Your arrogance seems to have tripped you up, sir.

{o.o}
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