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Old 12-09-2007, 07:39 PM
Default PS, mainly on safety (was Incredible F8 updates : DEFEAT & CAVEAT)

On Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:47:58 -0500, David Boles wrote:

> The default Fedora install gives you Fedora (Everything) and Fedora
> Updates enabled. All others default to disabled.
> In order to use the other repos, any of them, *you* had to *enable*
> them. Which can be done by root in a text editor or one of several GUIs
> provided by Fedora.

As I have explained, I had completed a fresh install, run yum
update, and begun running a finer-toothed comb than either anaconda or
yum, namely pirut.My point was that one of the defaults in pirut is new,
and effectively pushes itself on the unwary.

> So please explain to me how your enabling the defaulted disabled repos
> while not understanding what you were doing, your PEBCAK if you will, is
> Fedora's fault? IMMV but I make the effort to know what I am doing
> *before* I do it. It's safer that way. ;-)

Applying ugly acronyms is beneath you, and does no one any good
-- especially ones that amount to calling names.

You surely are not saying, are you, that the "Customize now"
option in anaconda is put there to be a stumbling block nor a pitfall?
Nor that customizing at all is to be discouraged??

I have almost always used it, and found it more convenient than
the "Customize later" choice.

There are quite a lot of things that no user on any machine of
mine will ever invoke -- some I don't use, and some are reputed to be
security risks, even (if not especially) on active linux discussion
lists. (I try to follow several besides this one.)

The new pirut default *forces* me to enable *something* -- until
I get rid of that default to medium, pirut will fail me. Putting the DVD
back in would be counterproductive and silly.

But pirut calls for it! To eliminate that, I get a new and
uncommented list of choices.

Fwiw, I can and do make large efforts at caution, even while
appreciating the need to tinker with any such OS as Fedora; among those
is not just disabling but uninstalling any server I can -- such as all
the chat ones.

I never enable nor download even "testing" anything; actually
enabling the development repo must have been a brain fart. I don't
dispute that; I suggest that it carry a caveat.

(There are things I do enable, notably livna -- I would not have
wanted a machine in my house without Pine, before Alpine came out.)

One reason it happened is that I do quite often yum telling me I
need <xyz>-devel for something that has long proved perfectly safe for me
to run. I said so in my earlier post.

You certainly don't *have* to allow for users who can't write
code; some otherwise excellent developers plainly despise us. But those
who do so allow might wish to erect some sort of caution sign in this new
place; they have in others, and many of us count that a virtue.

It is such a virtue, in fact, that after having done the fresh
install over, I have just run pirut (avoiding unfamiliar repos like the
plague!) on three machines at once, twice -- browse choice by browse
chioce (hitting Apply at least once in each), and then alphabetically
through the list.

That helped me spot things I could remove, since two machines had
been running fine without them; and I'm sure I'm safer because of it.

Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert
Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.

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