Bob Goodwin wrote:
>
> I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT? It doesn't matter
> since it really gets booted.
>
> Bob
>
Nope - I still have a couple of things I need Windows for that will
not work under Wine. (Mainly my eBook reader and Motorola Phone
Tools.) Todd Denniston already posted the link on how to set XP to
work with the clock set to UTC.

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On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 19:31 +0000, g wrote:
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> Todd Denniston wrote:
> <snip>
> > If the machine is always running Unix/Linux, then UTC is usually better. If
> > you are also running MSWIN then you either need to use LOCAL or find the tweak
> > someone posted ~1 week ago, that you can do to windows so it treats the
> > hardware clock as UTC.
>
> what is there to tweak if you just tell msbsos that time zone
> is london, england?
>
> time + 0 is time + 0.

That's what I've done (though I might try the tweak). If you do that,
you also need to make sure that *each Windows user* turns off the
automatic daylight time adjustment in the clock applet. (Basically, UTC
is London time with no DST adjustment, give or take a few ticks...).

The only disadvantage is that when you are in Windows, the clock shows
UTC. If you wear a watch, that's not a big deal. If you use a Windows
calendar/alarm facility, you have to watch out for that, as well, or
you'll find yourself several hours early to your appointments.


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On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:37 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT?

And you found that works? Some time ago I looked at pages about putting
your hardware clock on GMT, and making Windows work with that like Linux
does. There was a lot of information about Windows fouling it up, none
about it actually working.

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Tim wrote:

On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:37 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:


I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT?



And you found that works? Some time ago I looked at pages about putting
your hardware clock on GMT, and making Windows work with that like Linux
does. There was a lot of information about Windows fouling it up, none
about it actually working.


I rarely use Windows and it doesn't matter to me if it runs on GMT
without the change for daylight saving time! I don't require it to
display local time. I don't see what possible problem that could
cause? If it has I haven't noticed but then there are times when it
doesn't get booted for months. But if I do boot Windows at least it
doesn't make a second correction for the time change.


Is there something wrong with that? Am I missing some obscure point? I
have noticed that others apparently run Linux without local time since
their messages display time +0000 while they are obviously in the US.


Bob

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Todd Denniston wrote:
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> OK, you made me look

well, getting blamed for something is a part of my life now.

as for problems of gmt/utc and dst, i am trying to remember if we used dst
with gmt when i was usaf. been to long.

we did have 2 clocks in our shop 1 for local and 1 for gmt. out ncoic always
had problems with adding and subtracting time for reports, so he had second
clock put up.

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Matthew Saltzman wrote:
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> (Basically, UTC
> is London time with no DST adjustment, give or take a few ticks...).

for me, here in cst, i have never had a problem of thinking - 6 hours for
local time and - 5 for dst. once you do it for a while, it is second nature.

when i had to use msbsos, i always used gmt and disabled dst. even had
a few people tell me my clock was off. for some reason they had trouble
understanding why i did not use dst and were more confused when i would
reply with, 'not every body does'.

> The only disadvantage is that when you are in Windows, the clock shows
> UTC. If you wear a watch, that's not a big deal.

you wear a watch?

> you'll find yourself several hours early to your appointments.

being early can in some case, give a good impression. ;o)

> Clemson University Math Sciences

math sciences and you have problems with something like time? )


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Tim wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:37 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>> I thought I was the only one running Windows on GMT?
>
> And you found that works? Some time ago I looked at pages about putting
> your hardware clock on GMT, and making Windows work with that like Linux
> does. There was a lot of information about Windows fouling it up, none
> about it actually working.
>
All I can say is that it has been working fine on my laptop with all
the programs I have tried it on. But I do not run Windows that
often. I have somewhere around 50 hours of use sense I added the
registry entry. I was running GMT before and mentally adjusting the
time.

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On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 12:28 +0000, g wrote:
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> Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> <snip>
> > (Basically, UTC
> > is London time with no DST adjustment, give or take a few ticks...).
>
> for me, here in cst, i have never had a problem of thinking - 6 hours for
> local time and - 5 for dst. once you do it for a while, it is second nature.
>
> when i had to use msbsos, i always used gmt and disabled dst. even had
> a few people tell me my clock was off. for some reason they had trouble
> understanding why i did not use dst and were more confused when i would
> reply with, 'not every body does'.
>
> > The only disadvantage is that when you are in Windows, the clock shows
> > UTC. If you wear a watch, that's not a big deal.
>
> you wear a watch?

Call me old-fashioned...

>
> > you'll find yourself several hours early to your appointments.
>
> being early can in some case, give a good impression. ;o)
>
> > Clemson University Math Sciences
>
> math sciences and you have problems with something like time? )

Most mathematicians I know are terrible with numbers.

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count and those that can't."---Anonymous


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