Sorry Patrick;

As they say in the political world, 'I mis-spoke'.

On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 18:01 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> You mean you moved the /sbin/ifconfig command to somewhere else? I can't
> see any sane reason for doing that. It's definitely a sledgehammer way
> of preventing it from being executed, but I'd say it's likely to cause
> trouble (e.g. in scripts which are trying to run it).
>
I moved aside dhclient-eth0.conf & dhcp6c.conf

Those were the files that I was told were causing problems.

> Note also that any earlier execution of ifconfig will have remained in
> force unless you also rebooted or did something specific to change it.

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On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:10 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Thank you Matthew. That was why I was double checking.
>
> On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:54 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > He's referring to /etc/initi.d/network. And no, it should be off if you
> > are running NetowrkManager (and vice versa). And the interfaces you
> > want to be managed by NetworkManager should be so set in
> > system-config-network.
>
> network won't turn off.
>
> The command line shows:
>
> ]# service network status
> Configured devices:
> lo eth0
> Currently active devices:
> lo eth0
>
> ]# service network stop
> Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ]
> Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ]
>
> and then;
> NetworkManager's gui shows warning 'disconnected'; does its grind;
> produces a dialogue (tool tip thingy) that says I am reconnected.
>
> If I check, I get:
>
> ]# service network status
> Configured devices:
> lo eth0
> Currently active devices:
> lo eth0
>
> And it is back running. Even after hot or cold re-boot.
To stop network from running aftere reboot you must run:
chkconfig network off
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On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 22:48 +0000, g wrote:
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> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> <snip>
> > My qualification "in the sense I think you mean" was intended to convey
> > the idea that "network" is not a single process or daemon. Of course
> > there is a set of things collectively called "network service".
>
> which is why i suggested that he run 'locate network|grep -v icons'.

Where did you say that? I see no other message from you on this thread,
including in the archives. Perhaps you mailed him privately.

> this would have shown him just how much is related to 'network'.
>
> but what do i know. i am just a 'newbie' who has been using linux from
> time of slackware release on cd, before there was a 'redhat'.

Since I'm not aware of having responded to you before now on this topic,
I don't understand the sarcasm.

(Linux user since kernel 1.95, around early 1996 I think, and just as
fallible as ever.)

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On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:28 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Hi Matthew;
>
> On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:54 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote:
>
> > He's referring to /etc/initi.d/network. And no, it should be off if you
> > are running NetowrkManager (and vice versa). And the interfaces you
> > want to be managed by NetworkManager should be so set in
> > system-config-network.
>
> They *are set* in system-config-network.
They don't have to be if network is not being used.
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On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 18:11 -0400, William Case wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:02 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote:
> > > Hi;
> > >
> > > NetworkManager has apparently screwed up a lot of small Gnome processes.
> > >
> > > * Trouble with Evo getting itself stuck in downloading mail
> > > (looping ??).
> > > * Clock applet not getting task and calendar info from Evolution
> > > properly.
> > > * I have been told that NM configuration info and keys should be
> > > in my gconf-editor. They are not.
> > > * A couple of other little things (I forget now) not operating
> > > properly after turning NetworkManager off and on.
> > I have not had the problems above. Although right now I can't find my
> > keys . I have seen them in earlier versions of NM, and they must be here
> > since the connections are made.
> > >
>
> > No you should run one of them but not both of them. Do you see a
> > nm-applet in the upper right panel. What do you see if you left click on
> > it. You should see the available APs.

> It lists 'Wired Network' and ' . System eth0' as the Access Points.

>
Which tells me it detects no access points in the neighborhood. Do you
have any and do they have eessids?
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Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
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> Since I'm not aware of having responded to you before now on this topic,
> I don't understand the sarcasm.

my apologies. was not meant as sarcasm.

only that if william had run 'locate', he would have found scripts and rest
related to 'network' and by looking over scripts, and rest, he would have a
better idea of how things relate.


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On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:28 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Hi Matthew;
>
> On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:54 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote:
>
> > He's referring to /etc/initi.d/network. And no, it should be off if you
> > are running NetowrkManager (and vice versa). And the interfaces you
> > want to be managed by NetworkManager should be so set in
> > system-config-network.
>
> They *are set* in system-config-network.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. In system-config-network, there is a check-box
for each interface indicating whether it is controlled by
NetworkManager. If you have NetworkManager service running and the
network service off, you want that box checked. If you have
NetworkManager off and network running, you want that box unchecked.


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Matthew we seem to be talking at cross purposes.

On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 20:46 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:28 -0400, William Case wrote:
> > Hi Matthew;
> >
> > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:54 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote:
> >
> > > He's referring to /etc/initi.d/network. And no, it should be off if you
> > > are running NetowrkManager (and vice versa). And the interfaces you
> > > want to be managed by NetworkManager should be so set in
> > > system-config-network.
> >
> > They *are set* in system-config-network.
>
> Sorry if I wasn't clear. In system-config-network, there is a check-box
> for each interface indicating whether it is controlled by
> NetworkManager. If you have NetworkManager service running and the
> network service off, you want that box checked. If you have
> NetworkManager off and network running, you want that box unchecked.
>
I just re-opened 'root]$ system-config-network'. The Network
Configuration gui popped up. On the devices tab which is the device
interface, Profile is checkmarked; Status is active; Device is eth0
Nickname is eth0; Type is Ethernet. Hardware tab info is correct; DNS
tab info is correct; Hosts tab only shows loopback data after I check
mark 'show loopback'. Active profile is listed as Common.

My NetworkManager is enabled, running and configured to runlevel
2,3,4,5.

The network service is disabled but running and configured to no
runlevels at all.

>
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