First, an additional thanks for input from Aaron and Poc ... it was f3
and I found info in other vterms once I knew to look f1-7


Repeating same procedure, I looked at ctrl-alt-f3 after the successful
media verification but before it ejected the disk when I clicked "OK"
... the output (hopefully no typos in transcription --- all line
prefixed by time and "INFO"):


kernal command line: initrd=initrd.img BOOT_IMAGE = vmlinuz
anaconda version 11.4.0.82 on i386 starting
fwloader: starting firmware loader
2074128 kB are available
trying to mount CD drive /dev/sr0 on /mnt/source
mounted loopback device /mnt/runtime on /dev/loop0 as
/mnt/source/images/stage2.img

umounting loopback /mnt/runtime /dev/loop0
mediacheck: /dev/sr0 (Fedora 9 disc ALL) PASSED

After selecting "OK", it ejected the disk so I could do another or
continue. I clicked "continue", it pulled the disk back in, "thought
about it for a wee bit", and ejected with the "Error: ok" window. The
new output in f3 is:


ejecting /dev/sr0
ejecting /dev/sr0

However, when I went to ctrl-alt-f4, I got what I think is the telling
info (edited):


<4> Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_types methods
<6> sr0: scsi3 - mmcdrive: 47x/125x writer dvd=rom cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
<7> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
<4> ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format
<4> VFS: Can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev loop0
<7> ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
<4> Unable to load NLS charset utf8
<4> Unable to load NLS charset utf8
<7> ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A
<7> ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
<4> Unable to load NLS charset utf8
<4> Unable to load NLS charset utf8
<7> ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A

ctrl-alt-f5 was full of all sort of complaints with /bin/mount, too many
to transcribe.


Now that I have this info, it seems to me that the DVD doesn't have a
valid driver. I am certain that a question out there is "how did it work
before?". The answer is that it didn't and that's part of the motivation
to get on a supported fedora to sort this and the internet access out
(and some other problems).


I went to the Lite-On site and don't see a thing about Linux drivers.

Given all the messages, I'm not certain if I believe the CD-ROM is
behaving, but at least I know the LiveCD ran FC9 which is good news.
Wondering more and more if getting the minimum from the CD and the rest
off stick is the best way to bypass these problems if there isn't a way
to find a driver I load to get rid of the error messages.


Thanks in advance,
Paul
Paul Newell wrote:
Never knew about those ... thanks ... will try later this afternoon
and see if it can explain what happened.


Frank Cox wrote:

On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 13:34:43 -0700
Paul Newell <pnewell@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:


What other virtual terminals? I looks to me like it is in single
user mode trying to boot from DVD and I think I "just have the
existing screen". Is there some way to get additional information at
the point of error that I am unaware of (I've never done an
FC/Fedora install so I'm a total newbie at this)



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On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Paul Newell <pnewell@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:

> Put them in DVD/CD drive of Linux box. I ran the media check and it
> successfully verified. Continuing on, the disk ejects with an error box that
> say, in text in upper left, "ok" and has a button to push which says, of
> course, "ok". Both DVDs do this and I tried on two different Linux boxes.
> Let's just say I'm not getting too many hints out of the process of what
> might be going on.

Now that you know the media passes the media check, have you tried
just booting off the DVD and skipping the media check?


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Ken:

If you see later post, I provided output from 3 of the vterms (f3,f4,f5)
and am still looking into how to get around the fact that I think there
isn't a driver that works for the DVD in the machine. That being said, I
never did try a power off, power on, boot off DVD w/o media check.


Suggestions from any and all welcome (right now I am burning 6 CD boot
media to see if the CD is at least understood for booting.


Thanks,
Paul

Ken Murray wrote:

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Paul Newell <pnewell@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:



Put them in DVD/CD drive of Linux box. I ran the media check and it
successfully verified. Continuing on, the disk ejects with an error box that
say, in text in upper left, "ok" and has a button to push which says, of
course, "ok". Both DVDs do this and I tried on two different Linux boxes.
Let's just say I'm not getting too many hints out of the process of what
might be going on.



Now that you know the media passes the media check, have you tried
just booting off the DVD and skipping the media check?





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On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Paul Newell <pnewell@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:

Ken:



If you see later post, I provided output from 3 of the vterms (f3,f4,f5) and am still looking into how to get around the fact that I think there isn't a driver that works for the DVD in the machine. That being said, I never did try a power off, power on, boot off DVD w/o media check.




Suggestions from any and all welcome (right now I am burning 6 CD boot media to see if the CD is at least understood for booting.



Thanks,

Paul



Ken Murray wrote:


On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Paul Newell <pnewell@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:



*


Put them in DVD/CD drive of Linux box. I ran the media check and it

successfully verified. Continuing on, the disk ejects with an error box that

say, in text in upper left, "ok" and has a button to push which says, of

course, "ok". Both DVDs do this and I tried on two different Linux boxes.

Let's just say I'm not getting too many hints out of the process of what

might be going on.

* *




Now that you know the media passes the media check, have you tried

just booting off the DVD and skipping the media check?





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I think that Ken Murray has the right idea.* My experience with the installation of F9 is the same.* When I do the media check it reports a good disk and then cannot continue the installation.* Reboot and skip the media check and the installation proceeds normally.* On my system this has always been the case for the numerous F9 install/re-installs that I have needed to do.


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2008/8/10 Fennix <cn.stefan@gmail.com>


I think that Ken Murray has the right idea.* My experience with the installation of F9 is the same.* When I do the media check it reports a good disk and then cannot continue the installation.* Reboot and skip the media check and the installation proceeds normally.* On my system this has always been the case for the numerous F9 install/re-installs that I have needed to do.



This has been the case ever since RedHat 9 or earlier, I'm surprised it's never been fixed, and it seems a little braindead to me.* A media check is a *good* thing, right?* So why doesn't it say "yay, your media passed, now let's go on with the install!"?


Is there a reason behind this that I'm not getting?

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Fennix and Ken:

Okay ... I'm more than willing to try anything, though this seems a bit
counter-intuitive (so it probably should read "Okay? ...").


I'll give it a shot tomorrow.

Paul

Fennix wrote:



On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Paul Newell <pnewell@cs.cmu.edu
<mailtonewell@cs.cmu.edu>> wrote:


Ken:

If you see later post, I provided output from 3 of the vterms
(f3,f4,f5) and am still looking into how to get around the fact
that I think there isn't a driver that works for the DVD in the
machine. That being said, I never did try a power off, power on,
boot off DVD w/o media check.

Suggestions from any and all welcome (right now I am burning 6 CD
boot media to see if the CD is at least understood for booting.

Thanks,
Paul


Ken Murray wrote:

On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Paul Newell
<pnewell@cs.cmu.edu <mailtonewell@cs.cmu.edu>> wrote:




Put them in DVD/CD drive of Linux box. I ran the media
check and it
successfully verified. Continuing on, the disk ejects with
an error box that
say, in text in upper left, "ok" and has a button to push
which says, of
course, "ok". Both DVDs do this and I tried on two
different Linux boxes.
Let's just say I'm not getting too many hints out of the
process of what
might be going on.




Now that you know the media passes the media check, have you tried
just booting off the DVD and skipping the media check?






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I think that Ken Murray has the right idea. My experience with the
installation of F9 is the same. When I do the media check it reports
a good disk and then cannot continue the installation. Reboot and
skip the media check and the installation proceeds normally. On my
system this has always been the case for the numerous F9
install/re-installs that I have needed to do.


Fennix


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On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 17:45 -0700, Paul Newell wrote:
> right now I am burning 6 CD boot media to see if the CD is at least
> understood for booting.

You only need to burn the first disc to test that. It's the one that
you boot up. The rest aren't "booted." The smallest ISO to test
whether your system can boot from a disc is the rescue disc (the
netinstall, or network install, ISO file).



By the way, this is NOT a top-posting list. Those with the best advice
tend to be the biggest sticklers for dumping top-posted messages,
unread. You only shoot yourself in the foot by doing it.

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Tim wrote:

On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 17:45 -0700, Paul Newell wrote:


right now I am burning 6 CD boot media to see if the CD is at least
understood for booting.



You only need to burn the first disc to test that. It's the one that
you boot up. The rest aren't "booted." The smallest ISO to test
whether your system can boot from a disc is the rescue disc (the
netinstall, or network install, ISO file).



By the way, this is NOT a top-posting list. Those with the best advice
tend to be the biggest sticklers for dumping top-posted messages,
unread. You only shoot yourself in the foot by doing it.

Info: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines#replying



Tim:

Thanks for not only the "testing first for boot" information but the
correction on etiquette regarding posting style ... document read and
hopefully future bullets avoided.


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On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 22:29 -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>
>
> 2008/8/10 Fennix <cn.stefan@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> I think that Ken Murray has the right idea. My experience
> with the installation of F9 is the same. When I do the media
> check it reports a good disk and then cannot continue the
> installation. Reboot and skip the media check and the
> installation proceeds normally. On my system this has always
> been the case for the numerous F9 install/re-installs that I
> have needed to do.
>
>
> This has been the case ever since RedHat 9 or earlier, I'm surprised
> it's never been fixed, and it seems a little braindead to me. A media
> check is a *good* thing, right? So why doesn't it say "yay, your
> media passed, now let's go on with the install!"?
>
> Is there a reason behind this that I'm not getting?

I haven't seen this happen myself. I would hazard a guess that it
depends on the drive model and driver. Perhaps something isn't being
reset correctly after the test.

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On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 22:29 -0700, Russell Miller wrote:

>

>

> 2008/8/10 Fennix <cn.stefan@gmail.com>

>

>

>

> * * * * I think that Ken Murray has the right idea. *My experience

> * * * * with the installation of F9 is the same. *When I do the media

> * * * * check it reports a good disk and then cannot continue the

> * * * * installation. *Reboot and skip the media check and the

> * * * * installation proceeds normally. *On my system this has always

> * * * * been the case for the numerous F9 install/re-installs that I

> * * * * have needed to do.

>

>

> This has been the case ever since RedHat 9 or earlier, I'm surprised

> it's never been fixed, and it seems a little braindead to me. *A media

> check is a *good* thing, right? *So why doesn't it say "yay, your

> media passed, now let's go on with the install!"?

>

> Is there a reason behind this that I'm not getting?



I haven't seen this happen myself. I would hazard a guess that it

depends on the drive model and driver. Perhaps something isn't being

reset correctly after the test.



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That would also be my guess as well.* I cannot remember now whether this happened in prior version installs now.* This time I was affected recently with grub errors after an update and was no longer able to boot F9.* F8 still worked if grub loaded and did not report a stage 2 error.* Tried re-installing F9 and it always seemed to stall towards then end (file #835 of ~936) for a generic install (take the defaults for choices and modify once a base system was installed) so I tried numerous times and encountered the post media check hang.* I could only successfully install this time from the latest Fedora Unity release.* Not sure if I tried the media check then as that was ~ my 8th attempt to reinstall....


I am not sure how to get any log errors when an install is unsuccessful to find out more for a bugzilla report.* Today I did see some messages regarding other consoles for error messages and will keep this in mind if I do encounter such a problem again.


Fennix

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