"Tom "spot" Callaway" <tcallawa@redhat.com> writes:

> On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:36 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
>> I have always wondered why it is necessary to issue a new version of Fedora
>> (or any other OS every 6 months). Why cannot an OS be like a river, constantly
>> flowing and always being the latest edition, with a simple yum update.
>
> This is called rawhide. Please keep your arms and legs inside the
> vehicle at all times. Fedora is not responsible for any injuries which
> occur while riding rawhide. Rawhide is not for everyone. Pregnant women,
> or women who may be pregnant (or that one guy who was pregnant) should
> consult their physician before riding rawhide. Individuals with any of
> the following medical conditions should probably not ride rawhide: high
> blood pressure, ringworm, psoriasis, tetter, elephantitis, amathophobia,
> or rheumatoid arthritis. Rawhide may eat you, your children, your
> neighbor, your neighbor's cat, and/or your leftovers from yesterday
> dinner. Rawhide may date your sister once, then never call her again. If
> you don't have a sister, it may date your friend's sister, then never
> call her again. If none of your friends have sisters, it may date the
> sister of someone you have never met and then never call her again. Yum
> sessions which last for 3 or more hours while using Rawhide are not
> normal, please seek bugzilla. Rawhide may conflict with other software
> repositories. Rawhide is not approved by the FDA to treat any specific
> condition. Rawhide will not be brought to you by Xerox in 4 parts
> without commercial interruptions. Rawhide will not show you pictures of
> Bush blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Dick Chaney, John Ashcroft,
> and John McCain to eat baklava confiscated from an Iraqi village.
> Rawhide will not make you more attractive to the opposite sex (try
> beer). Rawhide will break. Rawhide will make you cry. And it still won't
> call your sister (or your friend's sister, or some random person's
> sister).

LOL! I think that I saw a warning like that on some of the rides at
Disney World...

For those of us old enough to remember, Rawhide also has it's own TV
show and theme song[1]:

Move ‘em on, head ‘em up, head ‘em up, move ‘em out,
Move ‘em on, head ‘em out Rawhide!


Regards,

Marc Schwartz

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawhide_(TV_series)

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Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
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> Rawhide will not show you pictures of
> Bush blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Dick Chaney, John Ashcroft,
> and John McCain to eat baklava confiscated from an Iraqi village.

why would they be confiscating baklava from an iraqi village?
do think iraqi's may have stolen it from a greek?

or are you saying they are too cheap to by their own?

not necessary when you can get it from any greek just by asking.
and at a reasonable price from a greek bakery/pastry shop.

we greeks are proud of our pastry. if you like, i will be glad
to send you a recipe so you can make your own.


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On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:36 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
> I have always wondered why it is necessary to issue a new version of Fedora
> (or any other OS every 6 months). Why cannot an OS be like a river, constantly
> flowing and always being the latest edition, with a simple yum update. Cannot
> programs clean up after themselves, leaving no cruft, so that this would be
> possible? That way, one could jump on the infinite Fedora flow at any time and
> always have the latest version of all programs. What forces the necessity to
> stop a particular version and recreate all the software and redo all of the
> old mistakes that were already fixed and issue a new version?
>

That is called Debian Sid.
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That was a lot of answers. I guess I get the drift. I have tried Rawhide, but
found it too much work, except when it gets close to a release and I just
can't wait any longer. It sure would be nice if one didn't have to keep
reinstalling twice a year and still have the latest. Well, someone, someday
may figure it out. Rawhide is not for me. Too much work.

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On Tuesday 05 August 2008 19:36:21 kwhiskerz wrote:
> I have always wondered why it is necessary to issue a new version of
Fedora
> (or any other OS every 6 months). Why cannot an OS be like a river,
> constantly flowing and always being the latest edition, with a simple
yum
> update. Cannot programs clean up after themselves, leaving no cruft,
so
> that this would be possible? That way, one could jump on the infinite
> Fedora flow at any time and always have the latest version of all
programs.
> What forces the necessity to stop a particular version and recreate all
the
> software and redo all of the old mistakes that were already fixed and
issue
> a new version?
if you want to be on the river flow, you can update to rawhide though
it's unstable. They have a release cycle of 6 months because developers
don't like to be bound to stability issues while they are working on some
program.

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On Tuesday 05 August 2008 20:15:24 Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:36 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
> > I have always wondered why it is necessary to issue a new version of
> > Fedora (or any other OS every 6 months). Why cannot an OS be like
a
> > river, constantly flowing and always being the latest edition, with a
> > simple yum update.
>
> This is called rawhide. Please keep your arms and legs inside the
> vehicle at all times. Fedora is not responsible for any injuries which
> occur while riding rawhide. Rawhide is not for everyone. Pregnant
women,
> or women who may be pregnant (or that one guy who was pregnant)
should
> consult their physician before riding rawhide. Individuals with any of
> the following medical conditions should probably not ride rawhide:
high
> blood pressure, ringworm, psoriasis, tetter, elephantitis,
amathophobia,
> or rheumatoid arthritis. Rawhide may eat you, your children, your
> neighbor, your neighbor's cat, and/or your leftovers from yesterday
> dinner. Rawhide may date your sister once, then never call her again.
If
> you don't have a sister, it may date your friend's sister, then never
> call her again. If none of your friends have sisters, it may date the
> sister of someone you have never met and then never call her again.
Yum
> sessions which last for 3 or more hours while using Rawhide are not
> normal, please seek bugzilla. Rawhide may conflict with other software
> repositories. Rawhide is not approved by the FDA to treat any specific
> condition. Rawhide will not be brought to you by Xerox in 4 parts
> without commercial interruptions. Rawhide will not show you pictures
of
> Bush blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Dick Chaney, John
Ashcroft,
> and John McCain to eat baklava confiscated from an Iraqi village.
> Rawhide will not make you more attractive to the opposite sex (try
> beer). Rawhide will break. Rawhide will make you cry. And it still won't
> call your sister (or your friend's sister, or some random person's
> sister).
>
> > Cannot programs clean up after themselves, leaving no cruft, so
that
> > this would be possible?
>
> This is called utopia. Let me know when you find it.
>
> > That way, one could jump on the infinite Fedora flow at any time
and
> > always have the latest version of all programs. What forces the
necessity
> > to stop a particular version and recreate all the software and redo all
> > of the old mistakes that were already fixed and issue a new version?
>
> Well, I think it is hasty to say that we're "redoing all of the old
> mistakes". We fix bugs, increment versions, and occasionally, freeze
our
> state to fix the bugs we've found and send patches back up the river
> (upstream). If you want to drink from the fire hose, rawhide is where
> this happens. If you just want to get on at a set point where we know
> things "mostly work (tm)", that is what the point releases are for.
>
> ~spot
hahahahah that was a great humor!!!!!! thumbs uP!
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On Tuesday 05 August 2008 23:50:19 kwhiskerz wrote:
> That was a lot of answers. I guess I get the drift. I have tried Rawhide,
> but found it too much work, except when it gets close to a release and I
> just can't wait any longer. It sure would be nice if one didn't have to
> keep reinstalling twice a year and still have the latest. Well, someone,
> someday may figure it out. Rawhide is not for me. Too much work.
the thing about Fedora or any other Linux distro is that you don't have to
reinstall it everyday like Windows (or every week if you're lucky). You can
just have one installation for years. For that, refer to yum upgrade. you
don't have to reinstall the whole thing! just upgrade it
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> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 20:50:19 -0600
> From: kwhiskerz <kwhiskerz@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Fedora Infinity: A Dumb Question?
>
> That was a lot of answers. I guess I get the drift. I have
> tried Rawhide, but
> found it too much work, except when it gets close to a
> release and I just
> can't wait any longer. It sure would be nice if one didn't
> have to keep
> reinstalling twice a year and still have the latest. Well,
> someone, someday
> may figure it out. Rawhide is not for me. Too much work.

If you are interested in experimenting something different, try ArchLinux.
Read about the "rolling releases system" in their Wiki.
>From a Fedora-user perspective, it could be a refreshing experience and not
too
difficult to understand.
The packaging system is interesting, too: I'm still thinking that rpm is
superior,
but some pacman/ABS features are really good. And only a couple of days
after the installation
I was able to build my own packages.
Roberto


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On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 21:06 -0500, Marc Schwartz wrote:
> "Tom "spot" Callaway" <tcallawa@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:36 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
> >> I have always wondered why it is necessary to issue a new version of Fedora
> >> (or any other OS every 6 months). Why cannot an OS be like a river, constantly
> >> flowing and always being the latest edition, with a simple yum update.
> >
> > This is called rawhide. Please keep your arms and legs inside the
> > vehicle at all times. Fedora is not responsible for any injuries which
> > occur while riding rawhide. Rawhide is not for everyone. Pregnant women,
> > or women who may be pregnant (or that one guy who was pregnant) should
> > consult their physician before riding rawhide. Individuals with any of
> > the following medical conditions should probably not ride rawhide: high
> > blood pressure, ringworm, psoriasis, tetter, elephantitis, amathophobia,
> > or rheumatoid arthritis. Rawhide may eat you, your children, your
> > neighbor, your neighbor's cat, and/or your leftovers from yesterday
> > dinner. Rawhide may date your sister once, then never call her again. If
> > you don't have a sister, it may date your friend's sister, then never
> > call her again. If none of your friends have sisters, it may date the
> > sister of someone you have never met and then never call her again. Yum
> > sessions which last for 3 or more hours while using Rawhide are not
> > normal, please seek bugzilla. Rawhide may conflict with other software
> > repositories. Rawhide is not approved by the FDA to treat any specific
> > condition. Rawhide will not be brought to you by Xerox in 4 parts
> > without commercial interruptions. Rawhide will not show you pictures of
> > Bush blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Dick Chaney, John Ashcroft,
> > and John McCain to eat baklava confiscated from an Iraqi village.
> > Rawhide will not make you more attractive to the opposite sex (try
> > beer). Rawhide will break. Rawhide will make you cry. And it still won't
> > call your sister (or your friend's sister, or some random person's
> > sister).
>
> LOL! I think that I saw a warning like that on some of the rides at
> Disney World...
>
> For those of us old enough to remember, Rawhide also has it's own TV
> show and theme song[1]:
>
> Move ‘em on, head ‘em up, head ‘em up, move ‘em out,
> Move ‘em on, head ‘em out Rawhide!

Of course, that was what inspired the "rolling release" repo name to
begin with, back in the days of Red Hat Linux (4 or 5 or so):

Rollin', rollin', rollin', ...

>
>
> Regards,
>
> Marc Schwartz
>
> 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawhide_(TV_series)
>
>
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On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 22:14 -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:36 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote:
> > I have always wondered why it is necessary to issue a new version of Fedora
> > (or any other OS every 6 months). Why cannot an OS be like a river, constantly
> > flowing and always being the latest edition, with a simple yum update. Cannot
> > programs clean up after themselves, leaving no cruft, so that this would be
> > possible? That way, one could jump on the infinite Fedora flow at any time and
> > always have the latest version of all programs. What forces the necessity to
> > stop a particular version and recreate all the software and redo all of the
> > old mistakes that were already fixed and issue a new version?
> >
>
> That is called Debian Sid.

And in a mildly tamed version, Sidux.


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