Todd Zullinger wrote:

Bill Davidsen wrote:

Actually, since this is all "noarch" stuff which doesn't depend on
release, that's irrelevant, other than his needed to download it by
hand.


I think it is quite relevant, especially for someone looking for
wireless firmware. He'd be exposing a system that has not had any
security updates for over a year wirelessly. That's not a wise idea
at all, and one that I think should be discouraged on this list.

Feel free, I simply don't think that connecting via wireless is going to
make him notably less secure than connecting via wire. Attacks rarely
depend on something as arcane as running wireless on a year old Linux
security level, the incremental risk is small, assuming the features of
wireless security are followed, and that's modem settings rather than
o/s on modern hardware.



Since some hardware vendors haven't moved beyond FC6, a lot of
people need to stay with it. Ubuntu has a better idea here, to make
a version every once in a while a LTS version, to encourage vendors
to support it.


The effort to support such a release is quite high. I rather like
Todd Denniston's suggestion that RHEL/CentOS releases are comparable
to Ubuntu's LTS releases in many ways.

My impression is that Ubuntu follows upgrades while RHEL patches bugs,
but I haven't done a real analysis of the updates as they come in, so
don't ignore "impression" and think I spoke with certainty.



But for better or worse, Fedora releases are only supported for ~13
months. And I think it's a disservice to encourage anyone to run them
on a network after they've been EOL'd. (I say this as someone that
has some ancient RHL servers in production still. But I assume all
the risks and effort required to keep them properly updated.)

I'm reading this while building the new named from ISC in a VM, so I can
install it on a machine which has no compilers (for security reasons)
and which has a poor justification for a full upgrade.


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Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Todd Zullinger wrote:
>> I think it is quite relevant, especially for someone looking for
>> wireless firmware. He'd be exposing a system that has not had any
>> security updates for over a year wirelessly. That's not a wise
>> idea at all, and one that I think should be discouraged on this
>> list.
>>
> Feel free, I simply don't think that connecting via wireless is
> going to make him notably less secure than connecting via wire.

Nor do I. My point wasn't about wireless versus wired. It was simply
that of all the things to help someone do with an unsupported release,
getting network connectivity is one of the least wise. I probably
should have been more careful with my words.

> My impression is that Ubuntu follows upgrades while RHEL patches
> bugs, but I haven't done a real analysis of the updates as they
> come in, so don't ignore "impression" and think I spoke with
> certainty.

I don't use Ubuntu myself, but I did install the previous LTS release
(6.06) for a friend when that was current. I was just visiting him
the other day and poked around a little. His gnome release was still
2.14 or something close to that. Thunderbird was still 1.5. So I
didn't get the impression that Ubuntu was updating major system
components.

Of course, I could very easily be wrong since I didn't look very
closely. And I don't follow Ubuntu much at all.

>> But for better or worse, Fedora releases are only supported for ~13
>> months. And I think it's a disservice to encourage anyone to run
>> them on a network after they've been EOL'd. (I say this as someone
>> that has some ancient RHL servers in production still. But I
>> assume all the risks and effort required to keep them properly
>> updated.)
>>
> I'm reading this while building the new named from ISC in a VM, so I
> can install it on a machine which has no compilers (for security
> reasons) and which has a poor justification for a full upgrade.

Heh, I completely understand that. Now, if you came here and asked
for support doing such a thing, I think the best help folks here could
give you would be to tell you to upgrade. If you need the help,
that's the best advice. If you don't need the help, then by all
means, take the risk and bear the burden. I even agree that it's
worth it in some cases.

I should shut up now though. I don't want you to think I'm arguing
just for the sake of arguing. I don't mind doing that, but I find it
more enjoyable to do in person and over drinks.

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2008/8/6 Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>:
> Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote:
>>
>> 2008/8/1 bruce <bedouglas@earthlink.net>:
>>>
>>> hi...
>>>
>>> for my $0.02....
>>>
>>> i would argue for getting a cheap ~$40 linksys G usb wireless dongle...
>>>
>>> i have a laptop, amd x64, running fedora8, and after trying for a few
>>> days
>>> to get the madwifi/atheros stuff working, i got the usb dongle, plugged
>>> it
>>> in, and lo and behold.. up/running in a matter of 5 mins!!!
>>>
>>> good luck...
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I second that .. I just bought a Linkys WUSB54GC and it worked right
>> out of the box with Fedora9 x86_64.
>> It is using the rt73usb driver / module ... and the rtx drivers have
>> been included in main-line kernel 2.6.22(?) since about Jan 2008.
>>
> I was ordering this and started reading reviews, really doesn't get a lot of
> love from people who have it:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16833124187
>
> I don't suppose anyone has tried the newer WUSB600N or WUSB300N, they both
> got decent reviews, support 802.11n (not a requirement), 256 bit encryption,
> and WPA2. The last could be an issue to connect at some customer sites. I'd
> love to have the features, the size of the 300N isn't an issue, and the
> price is less important than the reliability.
>
> Most of the complaints are about signal, I'm spoiled, my old ACER laptop
> with ipw2200 and whatever firmware was around when FC4 was new will work at
> home from my office to the library, through a floor with 2x8 joists and
> three real (plaster and lathe) walls, and will hear two routers in the
> apartment house down the road and three in the college, at least 400' and
> two brick walls away. People who say they have problems through a sheetrock
> wall make me think the sensitivity is lacking.
>
> Google finds many questions on these adaptors, and only minimal success
> using ndiswrapper, which is not a long term solution. Well, newegg has these
> WUSB54GC on sale, I'll take a chance on getting one and see if it holds up.
> Maybe someone else will get a driver for the fancy new devices in the
> meantime.
>
> Thanks for the part number.
>

Well ... my experience is different from those in the reviews ( maybe
they were using windows as some were talking about re-install? ).
Signal strength is about 75% according to network-manager when I have
direct line-of-sight to the wireless router. I have not tried walking
around the house to see how far I can get a signal from my wireless
router ( also a Linksys ... WRT54GL )

FWIW, I am also running with the latest kernel for F9 x86_64.

[jsalvo]$ uname -r
2.6.25.11-97.fc9.x86_64

[jsalvo]$ /sbin/iwconfig -a

wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"xxxxxxxxx"
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.462 GHz Access Point: 00:1C:10:B2:19:F0
Bit Rate=54 Mb/s Tx-Power=18 dBm
Retry min limit:7 RTS thrff Fragment thr=2352 B
Power Managementff
Link Quality=74/100 Signal level:-36 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0
< ... snip ... >

[jsalvo]$ /sbin/lsusb
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 13b1:0020 Linksys WUSB54GC 802.11g Adapter [ralink rt73]

< ... snip ... >

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Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote:

2008/8/6 Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>:

Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote:

2008/8/1 bruce <bedouglas@earthlink.net>:

hi...

for my $0.02....

i would argue for getting a cheap ~$40 linksys G usb wireless dongle...

i have a laptop, amd x64, running fedora8, and after trying for a few
days
to get the madwifi/atheros stuff working, i got the usb dongle, plugged
it
in, and lo and behold.. up/running in a matter of 5 mins!!!

good luck...



I second that .. I just bought a Linkys WUSB54GC and it worked right
out of the box with Fedora9 x86_64.
It is using the rt73usb driver / module ... and the rtx drivers have
been included in main-line kernel 2.6.22(?) since about Jan 2008.


I was ordering this and started reading reviews, really doesn't get a lot of
love from people who have it:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16833124187

I don't suppose anyone has tried the newer WUSB600N or WUSB300N, they both
got decent reviews, support 802.11n (not a requirement), 256 bit encryption,
and WPA2. The last could be an issue to connect at some customer sites. I'd
love to have the features, the size of the 300N isn't an issue, and the
price is less important than the reliability.

Most of the complaints are about signal, I'm spoiled, my old ACER laptop
with ipw2200 and whatever firmware was around when FC4 was new will work at
home from my office to the library, through a floor with 2x8 joists and
three real (plaster and lathe) walls, and will hear two routers in the
apartment house down the road and three in the college, at least 400' and
two brick walls away. People who say they have problems through a sheetrock
wall make me think the sensitivity is lacking.

Google finds many questions on these adaptors, and only minimal success
using ndiswrapper, which is not a long term solution. Well, newegg has these
WUSB54GC on sale, I'll take a chance on getting one and see if it holds up.
Maybe someone else will get a driver for the fancy new devices in the
meantime.

Thanks for the part number.



Well ... my experience is different from those in the reviews ( maybe
they were using windows as some were talking about re-install? ).
Signal strength is about 75% according to network-manager when I have
direct line-of-sight to the wireless router. I have not tried walking
around the house to see how far I can get a signal from my wireless
router ( also a Linksys ... WRT54GL )

FWIW, I am also running with the latest kernel for F9 x86_64.

Well, after a vast amount of hacking around with settings, I finally get
mine working, and it works fine just where I need it, at the far end of
a big old Victorian house, through floors and real walls. I'll be using
it tonight while I watch the first Giants game. ;-)


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2008/8/8 Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>:
> Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote:
>>
>> 2008/8/6 Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>:
>>>
>>> Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 2008/8/1 bruce <bedouglas@earthlink.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>> hi...
>>>>>
>>>>> for my $0.02....
>>>>>
>>>>> i would argue for getting a cheap ~$40 linksys G usb wireless dongle...
>>>>>
>>>>> i have a laptop, amd x64, running fedora8, and after trying for a few
>>>>> days
>>>>> to get the madwifi/atheros stuff working, i got the usb dongle, plugged
>>>>> it
>>>>> in, and lo and behold.. up/running in a matter of 5 mins!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> good luck...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I second that .. I just bought a Linkys WUSB54GC and it worked right
>>>> out of the box with Fedora9 x86_64.
>>>> It is using the rt73usb driver / module ... and the rtx drivers have
>>>> been included in main-line kernel 2.6.22(?) since about Jan 2008.
>>>>
>>> I was ordering this and started reading reviews, really doesn't get a lot
>>> of
>>> love from people who have it:
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16833124187
>>>
>>> I don't suppose anyone has tried the newer WUSB600N or WUSB300N, they
>>> both
>>> got decent reviews, support 802.11n (not a requirement), 256 bit
>>> encryption,
>>> and WPA2. The last could be an issue to connect at some customer sites.
>>> I'd
>>> love to have the features, the size of the 300N isn't an issue, and the
>>> price is less important than the reliability.
>>>
>>> Most of the complaints are about signal, I'm spoiled, my old ACER laptop
>>> with ipw2200 and whatever firmware was around when FC4 was new will work
>>> at
>>> home from my office to the library, through a floor with 2x8 joists and
>>> three real (plaster and lathe) walls, and will hear two routers in the
>>> apartment house down the road and three in the college, at least 400' and
>>> two brick walls away. People who say they have problems through a
>>> sheetrock
>>> wall make me think the sensitivity is lacking.
>>>
>>> Google finds many questions on these adaptors, and only minimal success
>>> using ndiswrapper, which is not a long term solution. Well, newegg has
>>> these
>>> WUSB54GC on sale, I'll take a chance on getting one and see if it holds
>>> up.
>>> Maybe someone else will get a driver for the fancy new devices in the
>>> meantime.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the part number.
>>>
>>
>> Well ... my experience is different from those in the reviews ( maybe
>> they were using windows as some were talking about re-install? ).
>> Signal strength is about 75% according to network-manager when I have
>> direct line-of-sight to the wireless router. I have not tried walking
>> around the house to see how far I can get a signal from my wireless
>> router ( also a Linksys ... WRT54GL )
>>
>> FWIW, I am also running with the latest kernel for F9 x86_64.
>>
> Well, after a vast amount of hacking around with settings, I finally get
> mine working, and it works fine just where I need it, at the far end of a
> big old Victorian house, through floors and real walls. I'll be using it
> tonight while I watch the first Giants game. ;-)
>

Strange ... you said you have to do quite a bit of hacking to make the
Linksys WUSB54GC work, while in my case, just plug and play. What did
you have to do ?

You're using F9 ?

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Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote:

2008/8/8 Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>:

Jesus Jr M Salvo wrote:



Well ... my experience is different from those in the reviews ( maybe
they were using windows as some were talking about re-install? ).
Signal strength is about 75% according to network-manager when I have
direct line-of-sight to the wireless router. I have not tried walking
around the house to see how far I can get a signal from my wireless
router ( also a Linksys ... WRT54GL )

FWIW, I am also running with the latest kernel for F9 x86_64.


Well, after a vast amount of hacking around with settings, I finally get
mine working, and it works fine just where I need it, at the far end of a
big old Victorian house, through floors and real walls. I'll be using it
tonight while I watch the first Giants game. ;-)



Strange ... you said you have to do quite a bit of hacking to make the
Linksys WUSB54GC work, while in my case, just plug and play. What did
you have to do ?

You're using F9 ?

When I plugged it in nothing. After reboot it was detected but not used.
Went into config and set the ESSID, the channel and the key, then
repeated boot, still nothing. After much picking of options and
rebooting it started working, using settings I had tried before. I tried
all combinations of managed or not, start on boot or not, each followed
by a restart of networking, restart of NM, and then a boot to prove it
didn't work.


There's still some voodoo there, but for now it's working the nuts, and
I'm happy that I got the USB NIC. Supposedly the WUSB4310 will be
supported in the future, it's under development, etc, etc.


Oh, tried a built from scratch 2.6.27-rc2.fc10 kernel I built from
rawhide source, all not working until suddenly it started for no known
reason. I'm happy for the moment, will probably break it setting up a
"Starbucks profile" for a road trip I have to take. More learning
experiences.



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