On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 01:24 +0000, g wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> <snip>
> > of course not because if it was there, you would be complaining.
>
> yet for some reason, he is on who is not having a problem.
>
> why? i do not know. do you?
>
> > people should ignore geleem's request
>
> what is wrong with a survey?
>
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because it makes no sense to pollute a thread with what we already
know...that most people aren't having this problem.

It's no different than adding myself to lp group. While that might allow
me to print, it doesn't really solve the problem and I can get it to
print anyway.

I understand that your intentions are good but you want to inject
yourself in something that doesn't involve you and offer a hack solution
that ultimately leads to nowhere.

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On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 19:01 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> It's no different than adding myself to lp group. While that might
> allow me to print, it doesn't really solve the problem and I can get
> it to print anyway.

It does raise the point that some definition of what some system groups
are meant to be for. When you see groups like lp or disk are you
supposed to add yourself to them for special privileges, or are they
just for the system software to use for itself.

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On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 20:51 +0000, g wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> <snip>
> > came back when I tried to print from Firefox...
>
> so maybe you *and* firefox need to be in 'lp' group. <gbwg>
>
>
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> tc,hago.
>
The group of the user and firefox is irrelevant.
>
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On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 15:58 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 22:52 +0000, g wrote:
> > Craig White wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 21:21 +0000, g wrote:
> > >> Craig White wrote:
> > >> <snip>
> > >>> I hope that you won't mind that I will continue to ignore your
> > >>> suggestions thinking that they are not useful and even if they worked,
> > >>> that isn't the intended behavior and thus no solution at all.
> > >> not at all. what ever churns your butter.
> > >>
> > >> if such an easy change is too much for you, then do not. after all it
> > >> is your system to fight with.
> > >>
> > >> as for me, i did spend a couple minutes to make change, as i found thru
> > >> google, and it did work. granted, it may something different in your
> > >> system.
> > >>
> > >> i do know/recall that i did have to add myself to 'lp' group, under
> > >> mandrake 9 and 10, when i could not print as a 'user', but could as
> > >> 'root'.
> > > ----
> >
> > > I would rather remove the line once in a while than start mucking with
> > > system groups but more to the point and the one you seem to be missing
> > > is that the bandaid approach you suggest helps no one else. I'm far more
> > > interested in a real solution to the problem because others are sure to
> > > experience this issue.
> >
> > i am in full understanding of your reasoning and desire to find *where*
> > failure is coming from.
> >
> > with no more response than you have of one other poster so far, would
> > this not tend to show that it would be something you 2 have in common
> > in configuring your system? granted, it is something that should not
> > happen. but it is.
> >
> > therefore i would think that you and andy need to see what you have in
> > common in setups, permissions, and paths, etc.
> >
> > also, a request for others who are using cups, if they would check
> > cupsd.conf and printers.conf files to see if authentication line
> > is present.
> >
> > then, if you have a large response of line present, you have narrowed
> > you search to other than just cups.
> >
> > just a suggestion. use it or not.
> ----
> Not a chance...
>
> because I reverted to distribution version of cupsd.conf and have only 2
> printers configured and the configuration is fairly basic.
>
> I put in a bugzilla report.
>
> I know that Tim Waugh usually monitors this list but guess he must be on
> a summer vacation because he is the master of all things printers on
> RH/Fedora.
>
> We'll get to the bottom of it - and I'm pretty patient and suspect that
> Tim will sound off in a few days.
>
> Craig
Tim may be an expert but for instructions in configuring cupsd.cong the
documentation you can access through the cups web page (localhost:631)
is really very good and definitive. I would try that if I were you.
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Tim wrote:

On Thu, 2008-07-24 at 19:01 -0700, Craig White wrote:

It's no different than adding myself to lp group. While that might
allow me to print, it doesn't really solve the problem and I can get
it to print anyway.


It does raise the point that some definition of what some system groups
are meant to be for. When you see groups like lp or disk are you
supposed to add yourself to them for special privileges, or are they
just for the system software to use for itself.

I always thought they were there to let you customize access for
users, as well as for system software. There are other ways to
control user access now, but they were the original way to do it.


With the "helper" programs we have today, there is less need for
adding users to the system groups.


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Aaron Konstam wrote:
<snip>

The group of the user and firefox is irrelevant.


anyway, i added '<gbwg>' only because i had added 'firefox'.

maybe in case of 'lp' at this time. yet back when i set up cups in
mandrake 8 and 9, it was necessary. it was also necessary that i was
in 'sane' and 'xsane' group.

for sure, there are other groups that do require a user to be added
to various groups.

another 2 points that make whole thing interesting is that so far,
craig has found problem only with firefox and problem only seems to
be related to cups that is set up to share with ms windows.

second, that this problem has not shown up with any other distribs.


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On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 18:14 +0000, g wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> <snip>
> > The group of the user and firefox is irrelevant.
>
> anyway, i added '<gbwg>' only because i had added 'firefox'.
>
> maybe in case of 'lp' at this time. yet back when i set up cups in
> mandrake 8 and 9, it was necessary. it was also necessary that i was
> in 'sane' and 'xsane' group.
>
> for sure, there are other groups that do require a user to be added
> to various groups.
>
> another 2 points that make whole thing interesting is that so far,
> craig has found problem only with firefox and problem only seems to
> be related to cups that is set up to share with ms windows.
>
> second, that this problem has not shown up with any other distribs.
----
leap to conclusions do we?

1 - it's not only with Firefox...problem originally surfaced printing
e-mail from evolution. It appears that if a program initially queries
for a need to authenticate, that's when the problem occurs.

2 - why on earth would you think that this problem doesn't show up on
other distributions...I think quite the contrary, as this problem seemed
to be originally reported in Debian.

3 - as a network system administrator, ugly hack solutions like adding a
user to a local group is a very lame solution when users are on LDAP and
not local and there are limitations on group memberships, etc. This
shouldn't be needed for a basic setup and a local user and I am looking
at the bigger picture.

as for the user/group of firefox, yes it was irrelevant and was one of
the obscure attempts at being funny which not surprisingly Aaron missed
- as I said earlier in the thread, geleem seems to make comments that
are too obtuse for many readers on this list.

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Craig White wrote:
<snip>

leap to conclusions do we?


only when information is left out.


1 - it's not only with Firefox...problem originally surfaced printing


you were not elicit of evolution.


2 - why on earth would you think that this problem doesn't show up on


in my curiousness of problem i used *AND "firefox"*. search did not show
debian. being on mandrake lists, i have not seen problem posted.


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On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 18:56 +0000, g wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
> <snip>
> > leap to conclusions do we?
>
> only when information is left out.
>
> > 1 - it's not only with Firefox...problem originally surfaced printing
>
> you were not elicit of evolution.
>
> > 2 - why on earth would you think that this problem doesn't show up on
>
> in my curiousness of problem i used *AND "firefox"*. search did not show
> debian. being on mandrake lists, i have not seen problem posted.
----
if you go back to my original post - nowhere did I ever make mention of
Firefox, nor did Andy who confirmed the problem.

I only brought Firefox into the picture because the problem returned
when I tried to print with Firefox for the first time. The specific
applications itself are not truly meaningful to the problem...they never
were. You decided to seize on the things you thought might be
significant but they weren't.

but if you were going to google anything, why not google the relevant
keywords...

cups AuthInfoRequired negotiate

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1028522&postcount=1

but it wasn't Debian (my mistake), it was Ubuntu...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5449368

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Craig White wrote:
<snip>

if you go back to my original post - nowhere did I ever make mention of
Firefox, nor did Andy who confirmed the problem.


well, in your own words 'leap to conclusions do we?', seems to include
you in that 'we'. i do not find that i made reference to which post.

therefore, for me to include firefox, it would have been from a later
post that you made and in which you failed to mention evolution.

if version of firefox that i am currently using;
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.1)
Gecko/2008071611 Red Hat/3.0.1-1.el5 Firefox/3.0.1
had time stamps in history log, i would be able to give you an exact
time that you could relate to your presumption.

tho i will admit that while looking back thru history, i did miss one of
the hits related to suse. so i did err in not noting it. or what ever
was page relating to it, did not seem relevant. maybe it mentioned
evolution and was there before i put firefox in search.

as for ubuntu, i can not say. for sure if it was among hits, i did not
look at it.


I only brought Firefox into the picture because the problem returned


actually, it was brought on by your evasiveness in not mentioning what
all you had tried to print with.


but if you were going to google anything, why not google the relevant
keywords...


googleing for;

cups AuthInfoRequired negotiate


}> From: Andy Eager <eageraj <at> tpg.com.au>
}> Subject: F9 - cups - windows shared printer
}> Newsgroups: gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general
}> Date: 2008-07-24 12:14:43 GMT (1 day, 10 hours and 58 minutes ago)

which was in this thread.


http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1028522&postcount=1


reveals it did not happen with ubuntu client and fedora server, but did
with fedora client and fedora server.


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5449368


which, all in all, does cause me to believe as i have all along, that it
is related to cups and how it is handling authorization and a reason of
why i suggested adding 'user' to 'lp' group. which may have been a
temporary 'cure', 'hack', 'solution' or what ever one cares to call it.
what ever it is called, if it worked, it would be a way to get printing
done until source is debugged and corrected. along with, possiply, another
pointer to where problem is in source.


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