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Old 07-18-2008, 03:47 PM
Anne Wilson
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

On Friday 18 July 2008 16:20:44 linuxguy wrote:
> I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my
> desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why
> are the KDE developers so proud of their work ?
>
> So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have
> about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop.
> How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ?
>
> I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is
> there a way to do this without using Dolphin ?
>
> I hate the "collars" that appear around the file and folder icons. Can
> they be turned off ?
>
Yep - I hated it too, when I first saw it. Stick with it a while and learn
how to get the best from it. I wouldn't go back for anything now I've used
it a while. Can't wait for 4.1, though :-)

If there are things you can't figure out for yourself, ask about them.

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Old 07-18-2008, 03:50 PM
"Joonas Sarajärvi"
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

2008/7/18 linuxguy <linuxguy123@gmail.com>:
> I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my
> desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why
> are the KDE developers so proud of their work ?
>
> So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have
> about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop.
> How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ?
>
> I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is
> there a way to do this without using Dolphin ?
>
> I hate the "collars" that appear around the file and folder icons. Can
> they be turned off ?
>
> Thanks

I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop
environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just
turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background
is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved
support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a
temporary solution until the better one is ready.





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Old 07-18-2008, 04:11 PM
"Patrick O'Callaghan"
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 16:47 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 18 July 2008 16:20:44 linuxguy wrote:
> > I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my
> > desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why
> > are the KDE developers so proud of their work ?
> >
> > So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have
> > about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop.
> > How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ?
> >
> > I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is
> > there a way to do this without using Dolphin ?
> >
> > I hate the "collars" that appear around the file and folder icons. Can
> > they be turned off ?
> >
> Yep - I hated it too, when I first saw it. Stick with it a while and learn
> how to get the best from it. I wouldn't go back for anything now I've used
> it a while. Can't wait for 4.1, though :-)
>
> If there are things you can't figure out for yourself, ask about them.

Be careful what you ask for Anne :-) Here are some (using 4.0.98 at the
moment):

1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles.

2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful
"start move/end move" thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it
worked. Now it's gone.

3) Why is the Kmix icon in minimized state (i.e. in the panel) different
from its normal icon? This last could be my config as I just carried it
over from 3.5, but I don't see any way to change it.

4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a
landscape LCD? I've set it correctly using the Display dialogue, but it
doesn't remember its state. However as soon as I click on the Display
setting it *immediately* corrects itself to 1440x900 without me touching
anything else (except that I now have to resize some windows, not to
mention the panel which doesn't adjust itself). I reported a version of
this to BZ a while back but I need to update it.

I'm sure I can think of more but these are the most annoying. Luckily
nothing is a showstopper.

poc

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Old 07-18-2008, 04:29 PM
Anne Wilson
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

On Friday 18 July 2008 17:11:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> Be careful what you ask for Anne :-) Here are some (using 4.0.98 at the
> moment):
>
> 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles.
>
AIUI, that is a 4.1 feature. I'm pretty certain I've read that that's fixed
in 4.1.

> 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful
> "start move/end move" thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it
> worked. Now it's gone.
>
I'm not using Fedora at this moment, so I can't check, but it was there last
week. However, I understand that that was a Fedora work-around. I *think*
it's fixed in 4.1. Meanwhile, the recommended method in 4.0 is to delete
icons from the panel and add them again in the order you want them.

> 3) Why is the Kmix icon in minimized state (i.e. in the panel) different
> from its normal icon? This last could be my config as I just carried it
> over from 3.5, but I don't see any way to change it.
>
Actually, kmix is reluctant to show at all on mine :-) Seriously, though,
I've wondered about that myself. The tiny icons that sit in two rows seem to
be the things that load at startup, like klipper, wifi-status-indicator,
korgac, and so on. Do you find the same?

I'll try to find the answer to that one.

> 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a
> landscape LCD?

?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it?

> I've set it correctly using the Display dialogue, but it
> doesn't remember its state. However as soon as I click on the Display
> setting it *immediately* corrects itself to 1440x900 without me touching
> anything else (except that I now have to resize some windows, not to
> mention the panel which doesn't adjust itself). I reported a version of
> this to BZ a while back but I need to update it.
>
I don't think this is KDE-related at all. I think it's more concerned with
the new way that X is being served - you know, not reading xorg.conf if it
can get away without it. Just my guess, though.

> I'm sure I can think of more but these are the most annoying. Luckily
> nothing is a showstopper.
>
Yes, there are many small annoyances in 4.0, and there will still be some,
though nowhere like as many, in 4.1, but, as you say, they are not
show-stoppers.

I was tempted to revert to the old ways, like using the Classic Menu, but
stuck it out so that I could give support. I'm glad I did, as I find I have
adapted my working practices almost without noticing, and I really like some
of the changes.

In passing, it may interest you to know that some of the developments were
held up because they depend on Qt4, and Qt4 is still very much in
development. As the boundaries are being pushed new needs are being
discovered, and fixed as fast as devs can work.

Anne

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Old 07-18-2008, 05:01 PM
"Mike Burger"
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

> On Friday 18 July 2008 17:11:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a
>> landscape LCD?
>
> ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it?

He probably meant widescreen. However, to answer the question, no...not
really. 1024x768 is a standard resolution for a 4:3 style monitor up to a
particular size (14" and 15" monitors come to mind). You remember:

640x480
800x600
1024x768
1280x1024 (most 17" screens)
1600x1200 (19"/20")

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Old 07-18-2008, 05:05 PM
Kevin Kofler
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan <at> gmail.com> writes:
> 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles.

You mean the folderview showing the desktop icons? Or the whole desktop? If
it's the latter, that shouldn't need to be resized at all (see also point 4).

> 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful
> "start move/end move" thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it
> worked. Now it's gone.

You put up the panel controller then you drag&drop your applet.
See: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/07/05/move-your-applets-freely/

> 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a
> landscape LCD?

Is this some sort of dual screen configuration, e.g. a laptop with an external
video output? If so, it's probably picking up the size of the wrong display:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440239

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Old 07-18-2008, 05:06 PM
Kevin Kofler
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

Anne Wilson <cannewilson <at> googlemail.com> writes:
> > 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a
> > landscape LCD?
>
> ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it?

He means widescreen (i.e. wider than 4:3).

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Old 07-18-2008, 05:07 PM
"Mike Burger"
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

> 2008/7/18 linuxguy <linuxguy123@gmail.com>:
>> I upgraded to F9 when it first came out. Everything works, but my
>> desktop is a mess. But surely I am missing something, after all, why
>> are the KDE developers so proud of their work ?
>>
>> So... how is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ? Right now I have
>> about 100 icons for folders and files randomly dispersed on the desktop.
>> How do I clean them up and get my desktop organized again ?
>>
>> I hate that I can't drag and drop files into folders on the desktop. Is
>> there a way to do this without using Dolphin ?
>>
>> I hate the "collars" that appear around the file and folder icons. Can
>> they be turned off ?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> I use KDE 4 daily on both of my computers, as the primary desktop
> environment. I don't like the new desktop icons either, but I just
> turned them off. The ability to manage files on the desktop background
> is far from necessary, imo. In addition, there is greatly improved
> support for desktop icons coming in KDE 4.1, so this is just a
> temporary solution until the better one is ready.

Currently, I'm only running F9/KDE4 on one system (desktop...not upgrading
my laptop until I have a chance to try out KDE4.1 on my desktop).

I don't put much on my desktop...I use the "Favorites" section of the
menu. I've never been a big fan of cluttering my desktop, anyhow...too
difficult to remember what's there, and where it is.

My one concern, now that I've been using it a while, is the limited
functionality of the Plasma widget tool in the upper left corner.

I've read a number of write-ups on KDE4, and note that there a couple of
things not set up to run from that widget...right now, it only allows you
to add/remove widgets from various places. My understanding is that you
should be able to work with a number of settings, from the "Cashew", than
we seem to be able to do, now.

Another thing I miss, going from KDE3 to KDE4, is that KDE3 would save the
state of my desktop, so that any apps/konsoles I had up when I logged out
would be brought back up when I logged back in.

I'm having some trouble locating a setting for that, right now.

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Old 07-18-2008, 05:51 PM
Anne Wilson
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

On Friday 18 July 2008 18:05:44 Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles.
>
> You mean the folderview showing the desktop icons? Or the whole desktop? If
> it's the latter, that shouldn't need to be resized at all (see also point
> 4).
>
> > 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful
> > "start move/end move" thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it
> > worked. Now it's gone.
>
> You put up the panel controller then you drag&drop your applet.
> See: http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2008/07/05/move-your-applets-freely/
>
Second sentence, Kevin -
<quote>
This will be included in KDE 4.1 final.
</quote>

Standard Fedora and Mandriva are still on 4.0.x.

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Old 07-18-2008, 06:02 PM
"Patrick O'Callaghan"
 
Default How is one supposed to use the KDE4 desktop ?

On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 17:29 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 18 July 2008 17:11:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >
> > Be careful what you ask for Anne :-) Here are some (using 4.0.98 at the
> > moment):
> >
> > 1) How do I resize the Desktop plasmoid? It has no handles.
> >
> AIUI, that is a 4.1 feature. I'm pretty certain I've read that that's fixed
> in 4.1.
>
> > 2) How do I rearrange stuff in the Panel? There used to be a gawd-awful
> > "start move/end move" thing on the panel menu in 4.0 but at least it
> > worked. Now it's gone.
> >
> I'm not using Fedora at this moment, so I can't check, but it was there last
> week. However, I understand that that was a Fedora work-around. I *think*
> it's fixed in 4.1. Meanwhile, the recommended method in 4.0 is to delete
> icons from the panel and add them again in the order you want them.
>
> > 3) Why is the Kmix icon in minimized state (i.e. in the panel) different
> > from its normal icon? This last could be my config as I just carried it
> > over from 3.5, but I don't see any way to change it.
> >
> Actually, kmix is reluctant to show at all on mine :-) Seriously, though,
> I've wondered about that myself. The tiny icons that sit in two rows seem to
> be the things that load at startup, like klipper, wifi-status-indicator,
> korgac, and so on. Do you find the same?

There seem to be two kinds: those that are just there "because", such as
Kmix, NM etc., and others that one puts there through the Autostart
dialogue. In my case I only added Ktorrent to this last, nevertheless I
have Kmix, Pidgin, NM, Amarok, Ksensors, Kpowersave (?) and the keyboard
switcher thingy. I'm sure I did add these all at some point in my 3.5
days, but I no longer know where to change them.

> I'll try to find the answer to that one.
>
> > 4) Why does my desktop always start up as 1024x768 when I have a
> > landscape LCD?
>
> ?? 1024x768 is landscape, isn't it?

No, it's 4x3 or a standard "square TV" monitor. Landscape is 16x9.

> > I've set it correctly using the Display dialogue, but it
> > doesn't remember its state. However as soon as I click on the Display
> > setting it *immediately* corrects itself to 1440x900 without me touching
> > anything else (except that I now have to resize some windows, not to
> > mention the panel which doesn't adjust itself). I reported a version of
> > this to BZ a while back but I need to update it.
> >
> I don't think this is KDE-related at all. I think it's more concerned with
> the new way that X is being served - you know, not reading xorg.conf if it
> can get away without it. Just my guess, though.

Maybe.

> > I'm sure I can think of more but these are the most annoying. Luckily
> > nothing is a showstopper.
> >
> Yes, there are many small annoyances in 4.0, and there will still be some,
> though nowhere like as many, in 4.1, but, as you say, they are not
> show-stoppers.
>
> I was tempted to revert to the old ways, like using the Classic Menu, but
> stuck it out so that I could give support. I'm glad I did, as I find I have
> adapted my working practices almost without noticing, and I really like some
> of the changes.
>
> In passing, it may interest you to know that some of the developments were
> held up because they depend on Qt4, and Qt4 is still very much in
> development. As the boundaries are being pushed new needs are being
> discovered, and fixed as fast as devs can work.

Thanks Anne.

poc

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