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Old 07-16-2008, 04:10 AM
Robert Bernabe
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

Hi all,
Many thanks in advance. We are investigating Fedora Core right now
and one of the concerns is that the FC system will not be connected (or
allowed to connect to the internet). All updates will have to be done
offline. Is there a central place to check for updates to download for
offline installation? Is there a compiled tar file for this anywhere?
We are trying to google right now and just thought to ask...if the
answer here is RTFM then I'm sorry.


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Old 07-16-2008, 04:27 AM
"Patrick O'Callaghan"
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 12:10 +0800, Robert Bernabe wrote:
> Hi all,
> Many thanks in advance. We are investigating Fedora Core right now
> and one of the concerns is that the FC system will not be connected (or
> allowed to connect to the internet). All updates will have to be done
> offline. Is there a central place to check for updates to download for
> offline installation? Is there a compiled tar file for this anywhere?
> We are trying to google right now and just thought to ask...if the
> answer here is RTFM then I'm sorry.

Rule 1 about asking questions on Internet mailing lists:

Do Not Hijack Threads!

You simply replied to some random message that has nothing to do with
your topic, instead of starting a new message on your chosen subject.
You'll get a lot more cooperation if you understand that this annoys a
lot of people a great deal.

Thank you for your cooperation.

poc

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Old 07-16-2008, 05:57 AM
Robert Bernabe
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

sorry..i changed the subject and I thought that would be enough to
change the thread...didn't know an entirely new email had to be
done...will resend...sorry..really didn't know that the thread would be
picked up even when the subject is changed...


Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 12:10 +0800, Robert Bernabe wrote:


Hi all,
Many thanks in advance. We are investigating Fedora Core right now
and one of the concerns is that the FC system will not be connected (or
allowed to connect to the internet). All updates will have to be done
offline. Is there a central place to check for updates to download for
offline installation? Is there a compiled tar file for this anywhere?
We are trying to google right now and just thought to ask...if the
answer here is RTFM then I'm sorry.



Rule 1 about asking questions on Internet mailing lists:

Do Not Hijack Threads!

You simply replied to some random message that has nothing to do with
your topic, instead of starting a new message on your chosen subject.
You'll get a lot more cooperation if you understand that this annoys a
lot of people a great deal.

Thank you for your cooperation.

poc




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Old 07-16-2008, 05:58 AM
Robert Bernabe
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

Hi all,
Many thanks in advance. We are investigating Fedora Core right now
and one of the concerns is that the FC system will not be connected (or
allowed to connect to the internet). All updates will have to be done
offline. Is there a central place to check for updates to download for
offline installation? Is there a compiled tar file for this anywhere?
We are trying to google right now and just thought to ask...if the
answer here is RTFM then I'm sorry.



Just a re-send to start a new thread...

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Old 07-16-2008, 06:24 AM
Anders Karlsson
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

* Robert Bernabe <rbernabe@sandmansystems.com> [20080716 07:58]:
> Hi all,
> Many thanks in advance. We are investigating Fedora Core right now
> and one of the concerns is that the FC system will not be connected (or
> allowed to connect to the internet). All updates will have to be done
> offline. Is there a central place to check for updates to download for
> offline installation? Is there a compiled tar file for this anywhere?
> We are trying to google right now and just thought to ask...if the
> answer here is RTFM then I'm sorry.

You may be able to rsync just the part of the repos you need, and then
keep a local copy of that.

Here's two URL's I found (not read them in-depth) that seems relevant
to what you want to do.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring/Tiering
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article/yum_article/node15.html

It's a start, and should give you an idea at least.

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Old 07-16-2008, 01:03 PM
"Patrick O'Callaghan"
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 13:57 +0800, Robert Bernabe wrote:
> sorry..i changed the subject and I thought that would be enough to
> change the thread...didn't know an entirely new email had to be
> done...will resend...sorry..really didn't know that the thread would be
> picked up even when the subject is changed...

Threads have nothing to do with the Subject. They are based on the
In-Reply-To header which references the Message-ID of the message being
replied to. Some broken mailers (*cough*Outlook*cough*) use the Subject
for threading, but most of us aren't using them to read these lists.

BTW, Rule 2 (at least on this list and many others) is:

Do Not Top Post!

i.e. put your reply *after* the text you are replying to (see above).

poc

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Old 07-16-2008, 02:49 PM
stan
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

Robert Bernabe wrote:

Hi all,
Many thanks in advance. We are investigating Fedora Core right now
and one of the concerns is that the FC system will not be connected (or
allowed to connect to the internet). All updates will have to be done
offline. Is there a central place to check for updates to download for
offline installation? Is there a compiled tar file for this anywhere?
We are trying to google right now and just thought to ask...if the
answer here is RTFM then I'm sorry.


I haven't used rsync and perhaps it does this
automatically, but you can also use wget with a list of
packages that you have installed, set to only update
files that have changed. Point it to a specific mirror
that you know is fast and run it every night. You
could then burn the resulting changes to a DVD and use
sneaker net to put it into the yum cache on the machine
you are running in isolated mode. Then you would just
run yum update as normal and the updates would occur.


I don't think that the Fedora inrastructure is really
set up for this sort of no internet updating. The
changes are pushed out to the mirrors over the
internet, and the individual installations look over
the internet to pull the updates they want.


So no matter what workaround you use, it is going to
require internet access for some machine.


You could just set up two identical machines, one on
the internet, one off. Set up yum to cache the
packages on the machine connected to the internet. Use
the cache to burn a DVD. The packages are all signed
with a redhat key that would be verified on the offline
machine, so you could be sure of getting unadulterated
packages. The online machine would just be a dummy for
getting the packages. Turn off all services and set up
the firewall to be very restrictive. No local data,
just the bare installation with all the packages of the
offline machine. To be even more paranoid, only boot
and check for updates, then shut it down, so you are
only on the net for the duration of the package
downloads and update.


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Old 07-16-2008, 11:25 PM
"Robert M. Bernabe"
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

I haven't used rsync and perhaps it does this
automatically, but you can also use wget with a list of
packages that you have installed, set to only update
files that have changed. Point it to a specific mirror
that you know is fast and run it every night. You
could then burn the resulting changes to a DVD and use
sneaker net to put it into the yum cache on the machine
you are running in isolated mode. Then you would just
run yum update as normal and the updates would occur.


I don't think that the Fedora inrastructure is really
set up for this sort of no internet updating. The
changes are pushed out to the mirrors over the
internet, and the individual installations look over
the internet to pull the updates they want.


So no matter what workaround you use, it is going to
require internet access for some machine.


You could just set up two identical machines, one on
the internet, one off. Set up yum to cache the
packages on the machine connected to the internet. Use
the cache to burn a DVD. The packages are all signed
with a redhat key that would be verified on the offline
machine, so you could be sure of getting unadulterated
packages. The online machine would just be a dummy for
getting the packages. Turn off all services and set up
the firewall to be very restrictive. No local data,
just the bare installation with all the packages of the
offline machine. To be even more paranoid, only boot
and check for updates, then shut it down, so you are
only on the net for the duration of the package
downloads and update.



thanks...

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Old 07-16-2008, 11:25 PM
"Robert M. Bernabe"
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

* Robert Bernabe <rbernabe@sandmansystems.com> [20080716 07:58]:

Hi all,
Many thanks in advance. We are investigating Fedora Core right now
and one of the concerns is that the FC system will not be connected (or
allowed to connect to the internet). All updates will have to be done
offline. Is there a central place to check for updates to download for
offline installation? Is there a compiled tar file for this anywhere?
We are trying to google right now and just thought to ask...if the
answer here is RTFM then I'm sorry.


You may be able to rsync just the part of the repos you need, and then
keep a local copy of that.

Here's two URL's I found (not read them in-depth) that seems relevant
to what you want to do.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring/Tiering
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_article/yum_article/node15.html

It's a start, and should give you an idea at least.



thanks...


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Old 07-17-2008, 11:47 AM
"Rance Hall"
 
Default Newbie Warnng! : Fedora Core Offline Updates

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:49 AM, stan <goedigi89__e@cox.net> wrote:

> You could just set up two identical machines, one on the internet, one off.
> Set up yum to cache the packages on the machine connected to the internet.
> Use the cache to burn a DVD. The packages are all signed with a redhat key
> that would be verified on the offline machine, so you could be sure of
> getting unadulterated packages. The online machine would just be a dummy
> for getting the packages. Turn off all services and set up the firewall to
> be very restrictive. No local data, just the bare installation with all the
> packages of the offline machine. To be even more paranoid, only boot and
> check for updates, then shut it down, so you are only on the net for the
> duration of the package downloads and update.
>
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What about this: When you setup Fedora tell it that the public
interface does not come up automatically.

os as root then:

ifup eth0
(optionally start firewall)
yum update
(optionally stop firewall)
ifdown eth0

and plug the machine in to the net, but dont activate the network
adapter at all till you need it.

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