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Old 06-27-2008, 03:55 AM
William Case
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

Hi All;

On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 20:04 -0400, William Case wrote:
> Hi Tim;
>
> On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 07:35 +0930, Tim wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 10:28 -0400, William Case wrote:
> > > When I first boot I get the Fedora grub splash screen/menu twice --
> > > besides that everything else boots normally.
> >
> >
[snip]
>
My grub.conf contains the following line.

splashimage=(hd1,4)/grub/splash.xpm.gz

I altered my splashimage line slightly by putting a single space
between 'splashimage=(hd1,4)' and '/grub/splash.xpm.gz'.

When I re-booted instead of the Fedora splash image, I got a bare bones
colourless square with menu items -- which in itself is not surprising.

But also, I no longer saw a double flash of that menu. It was a very
quick load, straight to the menu window. I retried it with the space
removed but the whole splashimage line commented out. Again I saw a
very quickly, single copy, skeleton menu load.

On both occasions there was not a hint of a Fedora splash image coming
from an extra stage2.

Before I make a fool of myself by reporting this as a bug, does this
look like a bug to you? If so, why haven't others seen it.

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Old 06-27-2008, 01:13 PM
"Mikkel L. Ellertson"
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

William Case wrote:

My grub.conf contains the following line.

splashimage=(hd1,4)/grub/splash.xpm.gz

I altered my splashimage line slightly by putting a single space
between 'splashimage=(hd1,4)' and '/grub/splash.xpm.gz'.

The (hd1,4)/grub/splash.xpm.gz is a complete path/file name. When
you add a space, you created an invalid file name. Think of the
difference between /var/log/messages and / var/log/messages.



When I re-booted instead of the Fedora splash image, I got a bare bones
colourless square with menu items -- which in itself is not surprising.

But also, I no longer saw a double flash of that menu. It was a very
quick load, straight to the menu window. I retried it with the space
removed but the whole splashimage line commented out. Again I saw a
very quickly, single copy, skeleton menu load.

On both occasions there was not a hint of a Fedora splash image coming
from an extra stage2.


Before I make a fool of myself by reporting this as a bug, does this
look like a bug to you? If so, why haven't others seen it.

Dumb question - is this a brief flash, like the video changing
modes, and not a longer pause between displays of the menu?


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Old 06-27-2008, 03:29 PM
William Case
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

Hi Mikkel;

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 08:13 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> > My grub.conf contains the following line.
> >
> > splashimage=(hd1,4)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> >
> > I altered my splashimage line slightly by putting a single space
> > between 'splashimage=(hd1,4)' and '/grub/splash.xpm.gz'.
> >
> The (hd1,4)/grub/splash.xpm.gz is a complete path/file name. When
> you add a space, you created an invalid file name. Think of the
> difference between /var/log/messages and / var/log/messages.
>
I realize. But in desperation, one starts trying all sorts of things.
The point of my mentioning it, was that with a bare bones menu screen
there was no double image.

> > When I re-booted instead of the Fedora splash image, I got a bare bones
> > colourless square with menu items -- which in itself is not surprising.
> >
> > But also, I no longer saw a double flash of that menu. It was a very
> > quick load, straight to the menu window. I retried it with the space
> > removed but the whole splashimage line commented out. Again I saw a
> > very quickly, single copy, skeleton menu load.
> >
> > On both occasions there was not a hint of a Fedora splash image coming
> > from an extra stage2.
> >
> > Before I make a fool of myself by reporting this as a bug, does this
> > look like a bug to you? If so, why haven't others seen it.
> >
> Dumb question - is this a brief flash, like the video changing
> modes, and not a longer pause between displays of the menu?

Not a dumb question. The flash lasts about 1/2 second. Just long enough
for eyes to catch a Fedora blue screen, the word Fedora at the top of
the screen, and, the beginning of a menu box being written. Then the
screen blanks for 2 - 3 seconds ( I have tried to count the times off)
and finally the splash image is fully redrawn. When it loads for the
second time the Fedora name is at the bottom. I mention that in support
of your idea it may be the video changing: maybe in the first instance
the splash image is not getting drawn properly.

Another thing, this started in F8. I hadn't made the connection until
now and it just might be my frustration making invalid assumptions.
Keeping in mind I don't boot THAT often in order to always notice
exactly when the issue started. But, two or three months ago, I
installed a new motherboard switching from an ATI video card to a Nvidia
on board video chip.

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Old 06-27-2008, 04:17 PM
stan
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

William Case wrote:

Hi Mikkel;

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 08:13 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:



Dumb question - is this a brief flash, like the video changing
modes, and not a longer pause between displays of the menu?



Not a dumb question. The flash lasts about 1/2 second. Just long enough
for eyes to catch a Fedora blue screen, the word Fedora at the top of
the screen, and, the beginning of a menu box being written. Then the
screen blanks for 2 - 3 seconds ( I have tried to count the times off)
and finally the splash image is fully redrawn. When it loads for the
second time the Fedora name is at the bottom. I mention that in support
of your idea it may be the video changing: maybe in the first instance
the splash image is not getting drawn properly.

Another thing, this started in F8. I hadn't made the connection until
now and it just might be my frustration making invalid assumptions.
Keeping in mind I don't boot THAT often in order to always notice
exactly when the issue started. But, two or three months ago, I
installed a new motherboard switching from an ATI video card to a Nvidia
on board video chip.


It sounds like you know more about grub than I do, so I can't give you
any incisive
insight. But your comment above made me wonder if this is a video
driver issue
rather than a grub issue. Have you tried the opposite driver. i.e. if
you are using the
closed source driver for your card, try the open source driver, or vice
versa.


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Old 06-27-2008, 04:28 PM
William Case
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

Hi Stan;

You well might be right.

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 09:17 -0700, stan wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> > Hi Mikkel;
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 08:13 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Dumb question - is this a brief flash, like the video changing
> >> modes, and not a longer pause between displays of the menu?
> >>
> >
> > Not a dumb question. The flash lasts about 1/2 second. Just long enough
> > for eyes to catch a Fedora blue screen, the word Fedora at the top of
> > the screen, and, the beginning of a menu box being written. Then the
> > screen blanks for 2 - 3 seconds ( I have tried to count the times off)
> > and finally the splash image is fully redrawn. When it loads for the
> > second time the Fedora name is at the bottom. I mention that in support
> > of your idea it may be the video changing: maybe in the first instance
> > the splash image is not getting drawn properly.
> >
> > Another thing, this started in F8. I hadn't made the connection until
> > now and it just might be my frustration making invalid assumptions.
> > Keeping in mind I don't boot THAT often in order to always notice
> > exactly when the issue started. But, two or three months ago, I
> > installed a new motherboard switching from an ATI video card to a Nvidia
> > on board video chip.
> >
> >
> It sounds like you know more about grub than I do, so I can't give you
> any incisive
> insight. But your comment above made me wonder if this is a video
> driver issue
> rather than a grub issue. Have you tried the opposite driver. i.e. if
> you are using the
> closed source driver for your card, try the open source driver, or vice
> versa.
>
I was putting off installing things like new video drivers until I had
my system working right. I have the Xwindows "nv" driver installed. I
will now replace it with the lvnia nvidia driver to see if that makes a
difference.

Thanks for your ideas. A fresh approach always gets one out of a
thinking rut .

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Old 06-27-2008, 05:08 PM
"Mikkel L. Ellertson"
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

stan wrote:

It sounds like you know more about grub than I do, so I can't
give you any incisive insight. But your comment above made me
wonder if this is a video driver issue rather than a grub issue.
Have you tried the opposite driver. i.e. if you are using the
closed source driver for your card, try the open source driver,

or vice versa.

The thing is, when Grub is displaying the menu screen, it is not
using either driver. It is using the VESA interface to display the
boot screen. Once you select what to boot, it will then use an X
server to show the pretty screen unless you selected the quiet mode.


I can't remember the command to change the video made in Grub, if
there is one.


Mikkel
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Old 06-27-2008, 05:28 PM
"Mikkel L. Ellertson"
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

William Case wrote:


On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 08:13 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
Dumb question - is this a brief flash, like the video changing
modes, and not a longer pause between displays of the menu?


Not a dumb question. The flash lasts about 1/2 second. Just long enough
for eyes to catch a Fedora blue screen, the word Fedora at the top of
the screen, and, the beginning of a menu box being written. Then the
screen blanks for 2 - 3 seconds ( I have tried to count the times off)
and finally the splash image is fully redrawn. When it loads for the
second time the Fedora name is at the bottom. I mention that in support
of your idea it may be the video changing: maybe in the first instance
the splash image is not getting drawn properly.

Another thing, this started in F8. I hadn't made the connection until
now and it just might be my frustration making invalid assumptions.
Keeping in mind I don't boot THAT often in order to always notice
exactly when the issue started. But, two or three months ago, I
installed a new motherboard switching from an ATI video card to a Nvidia
on board video chip.

It sure sounds like a video mode problem. I wonder if grub-install
store the VESA mode to use, and it needs a different mode for the
ATI card then the Nvida card? I do not know enough about that part
of Grub to know for sure. But if that is the case, you would have
thought that the updated Grub package would have fixed that when it
installed.


Mikkel
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:26 PM
William Case
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

Thanks Mikkel;

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 12:28 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 08:13 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >> Dumb question - is this a brief flash, like the video changing
> >> modes, and not a longer pause between displays of the menu?
> >
> > Not a dumb question. The flash lasts about 1/2 second. Just long enough
> > for eyes to catch a Fedora blue screen, the word Fedora at the top of
> > the screen, and, the beginning of a menu box being written. Then the
> > screen blanks for 2 - 3 seconds ( I have tried to count the times off)
> > and finally the splash image is fully redrawn. When it loads for the
> > second time the Fedora name is at the bottom. I mention that in support
> > of your idea it may be the video changing: maybe in the first instance
> > the splash image is not getting drawn properly.
> >
> > Another thing, this started in F8. I hadn't made the connection until
> > now and it just might be my frustration making invalid assumptions.
> > Keeping in mind I don't boot THAT often in order to always notice
> > exactly when the issue started. But, two or three months ago, I
> > installed a new motherboard switching from an ATI video card to a Nvidia
> > on board video chip.
> >
> It sure sounds like a video mode problem. I wonder if grub-install
> store the VESA mode to use, and it needs a different mode for the
> ATI card then the Nvida card? I do not know enough about that part
> of Grub to know for sure. But if that is the case, you would have
> thought that the updated Grub package would have fixed that when it
> installed.
>
> Mikkel

As I said, the double splash image doesn't prevent me from doing
anything, so I'll let it sit for a couple of days. If no one (including
me) comes up with a solution, I will file a bug against it.

I just had the objective of after the fresh install of F9, working on
cleaning up all the cruft, annoyances and problems I had accumulated and
thereby have a washed, dried and polished system.

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Old 06-27-2008, 09:42 PM
g
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

William Case wrote:
<snip>

As I said, the double splash image doesn't prevent me from doing
anything, so I'll let it sit for a couple of days. If no one (including
me) comes up with a solution, I will file a bug against it.

I just had the objective of after the fresh install of F9, working on
cleaning up all the cruft, annoyances and problems I had accumulated and
thereby have a washed, dried and polished system.


something you have yet to mention, do you still have commercial boot loader
on sda, or did you 'fixmbr' and remove it?

something which has not been suggested to try;

'dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.hex bs=256 count=1'

'dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.hex bs=256 count=1'

then use a hex editor and look at 2 files. you should see microsoft, vista,
what ever in sda.hex and grub in sdb.hex.

if you see grub in both, problem solved.

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Old 06-27-2008, 11:19 PM
William Case
 
Default Fedora/grub bug -- I think ?

Hi g;

Good question, good point.

On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 21:42 +0000, g wrote:
> William Case wrote:
> <snip>
> > As I said, the double splash image doesn't prevent me from doing
> > anything, so I'll let it sit for a couple of days. If no one (including
> > me) comes up with a solution, I will file a bug against it.
> >
> > I just had the objective of after the fresh install of F9, working on
> > cleaning up all the cruft, annoyances and problems I had accumulated and
> > thereby have a washed, dried and polished system.
>
> something you have yet to mention, do you still have commercial boot loader
> on sda, or did you 'fixmbr' and remove it?
>
It was Boot Magic. I was using it just because I was being stubborn. I
bought Partition Magic which included the Boot Magic program before I
started exploring Linux. "I paid for it; I am going to use it." I was
expecting the whole thing to out date itself any day soon, so its death
didn't surprise me.

I haven't 'fixmbr' -ed yet. But I did replace the mbr or at least part
of it with grub when I made my original mistake, if I did, in fact, make
an uncorrected mistake. This whole video mode question has thrown that
open.

> something which has not been suggested to try;
>
> 'dd if=/dev/sda of=sda.hex bs=256 count=1'
>
> 'dd if=/dev/sdb of=sdb.hex bs=256 count=1'
>

That is a very good suggestion on checking for any lingering remnants of
either Boot Magic or a misplaced grub. None of the usual file finders
was showing me anything useful.

I am going to let it be for a couple of days and collect my thoughts.
And then, give it a last try on a quiet Sunday morning.

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