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Old 06-18-2008, 10:18 AM
Scott
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

This is new....

http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/

I wonder what brought this on...

Scott


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Old 06-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Frank Murphy
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 10:18 +0000, Scott wrote:
> This is new....
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/
>
> I wonder what brought this on...
>
> Scott
>
>

>From what I see you only get certain rights with regard to the sw.
Maybe firefox are going the patentsproprietry route?

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Old 06-18-2008, 10:27 AM
David Boles
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

Scott wrote:

This is new....

http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/

I wonder what brought this on...



That sounds like, to me, that Mozilla and Fedora are providing you with a
reasonably safe and secure Firefox browser. If you chose to add third party
software to Firefox, Flash for example, and it breaks your system or opens you
up to outside attacks you get to keep the 'pieces' and the 'bugs'. ;-)


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Old 06-18-2008, 02:30 PM
Kevin Martin
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

David Boles wrote:

Scott wrote:

This is new....

http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/

I wonder what brought this on...



That sounds like, to me, that Mozilla and Fedora are providing you
with a reasonably safe and secure Firefox browser. If you chose to add
third party software to Firefox, Flash for example, and it breaks your
system or opens you up to outside attacks you get to keep the 'pieces'
and the 'bugs'. ;-)




Those settings are not specific to the Firefox version provided by
Fedora (I don't use the version provided by Fedora downloads...too
messed up typically). FireFox3 has those even with the version
downloaded from Mozilla so I'm not sure why there would be that
disclaimer on the Fedora site.


Kevin

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Old 06-18-2008, 02:34 PM
Mauriat
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

2008/6/18 David Boles <dgboles@gmail.com>:
> Scott wrote:
>>
>> This is new....
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/
>>
>> I wonder what brought this on...
>
>
> That sounds like, to me, that Mozilla and Fedora are providing you with a
> reasonably safe and secure Firefox browser. If you chose to add third party
> software to Firefox, Flash for example, and it breaks your system or opens
> you up to outside attacks you get to keep the 'pieces' and the 'bugs'. ;-)

Why does that page single out the "anti-phishing" (Suspected Forgery)
service of FF3?

I maybe totally wrong on this (someone please correct me) but it seems
more like a privacy disclosure and less to do with
3rd-party-"breakage". Specifically in this case some 3rd party (i.e.
Google) will be receiving information about the specific URL's you are
browsing (along with cookies, etc.). See:
http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/firefox_privacy.html

-Mauriat

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Old 06-18-2008, 03:13 PM
"bruce"
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

hi...

the issue of the FF security measures (and others) is that the data on the
URLs you visit might go back to a 3rd party company (IE google), which
could/would therefore have a track of the sites that you visit.

it's up to you to decide if you trust them with this kind of data and if you
value the service that it might provide to you, the user.

google claims that they're not going to do anything with the data, but
there's nothing to stop them if they do.

it would be nice if google/firefox actually would spell all of this out, as
well as make the default "off", but it's easier for them to have the user
have to opt out.

i didn't discover this, untill i was looking at the packets/traffic from my
FF browser and got curious about the "google" traffic when i wasn't using
google!!

if microsoft did this, people would scream like hell. if firefox/google does
it, it's aww... ain't that cute!!

bottom line, the user should be told what the hell is going on, without
having to have a degree in comp sci!!

peace!


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To: For users of Fedora
Subject: Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.


2008/6/18 David Boles <dgboles@gmail.com>:
> Scott wrote:
>>
>> This is new....
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/
>>
>> I wonder what brought this on...
>
>
> That sounds like, to me, that Mozilla and Fedora are providing you with a
> reasonably safe and secure Firefox browser. If you chose to add third
party
> software to Firefox, Flash for example, and it breaks your system or opens
> you up to outside attacks you get to keep the 'pieces' and the 'bugs'.
;-)

Why does that page single out the "anti-phishing" (Suspected Forgery)
service of FF3?

I maybe totally wrong on this (someone please correct me) but it seems
more like a privacy disclosure and less to do with
3rd-party-"breakage". Specifically in this case some 3rd party (i.e.
Google) will be receiving information about the specific URL's you are
browsing (along with cookies, etc.). See:
http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/firefox_privacy.html

-Mauriat

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Old 06-18-2008, 03:34 PM
Antonio Olivares
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Scott <geekboy@angrykeyboarder.com> wrote:

> From: Scott <geekboy@angrykeyboarder.com>
> Subject: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.
> To: fedora-list@redhat.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 3:18 AM
> This is new....
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/
>
> I wonder what brought this on...
>
> Scott
>
>
> --

This basically means, /usr/bin/firefox > /dev/null

In the Mozilla Firefox Website Services

http://fedoraproject.org/static/firefox/website-services-agreement.html

page provided in this thread:

This below

/************************************************** *********************/
8. U.S. GOVERNMENT END-USERS. This Product is a "commercial item," as that term is defined in 48 C.F.R. 2.101, consisting of "commercial computer software" and "commercial computer software documentation," as such terms are used in 48 C.F.R. 12.212 (Sept. 1995) and 48 C.F.R. 227.7202 (June 1995). Consistent with 48 C.F.R. 12.212, 48 C.F.R. 27.405(b)(2) (June 1998) and 48 C.F.R. 227.7202, all U.S. Government End Users acquire the Product with only those rights as set forth therein.
/************************************************** *********************/

is very much against Fedora's principles of Free Software. This has to mean that Fedora will need to develop a free browser, much like Debian did and rebranded Firefox to "Iceweasel". Debian warned others about this, and Fedora did not listen know they pulled it off on them

I was encouraged to write a bugzilla on when Firefox wanted me to accept a license agreement

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=447661

Many users should file a bugzilla against firefox. Or just decide not to update it or remove it altogether. This is definitely anti-Fedora, I wonder how it got past them?

Regards,

Antonio




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Old 06-18-2008, 03:37 PM
Tim
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 08:13 -0700, bruce wrote:
> the issue of the FF security measures (and others) is that the data on
> the URLs you visit might go back to a 3rd party company (IE google),
>
> google claims that they're not going to do anything with the data, but
> there's nothing to stop them if they do.

Like we believe that... (about a company who's stated aim was to
database everything). I think it's more of a concern what they'd do
with it, rather than worrying *if* they'll do something with it.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of services which aren't secure (e.g. they
put *your* info into the URI, where someone else seems like you if they
use the same URI). That's not the sort of thing you want ending up
being indexed by a search engine. And it's not something that most of
the general public would understand.

> it would be nice if google/firefox actually would spell all of this
> out, as well as make the default "off", but it's easier for them to
> have the user have to opt out.
>
> i didn't discover this, untill i was looking at the packets/traffic
> from my FF browser and got curious about the "google" traffic when i
> wasn't using google!!

I thought it was pretty obvious what it'd have to do, to work.

I always go through the browser preferences of new installs, and most
updates. I found an option about checking websites and it's clear that
it'd either have to come with black/white lists (not practical), or ask
some service for its thoughts on what you were about to access.

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Old 06-18-2008, 03:44 PM
Anne Wilson
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

On Wednesday 18 June 2008 16:37:06 Tim wrote:
> > google claims that they're not going to do anything with the data, but
> > there's nothing to stop them if they do.
>
> Like we believe that... (about a company who's stated aim was to
> database everything). *I think it's more of a concern what they'd do
> with it, rather than worrying *if* they'll do something with it.

The answer's simple enough. If you don't trust them, don't use it.

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Old 06-18-2008, 03:55 PM
Antonio Olivares
 
Default Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Anne Wilson <cannewilson@googlemail.com> wrote:

> From: Anne Wilson <cannewilson@googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: Fedora ain't playin' around w/Firefox 3.
> To: "For users of Fedora" <fedora-list@redhat.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 8:44 AM
> On Wednesday 18 June 2008 16:37:06 Tim wrote:
> > > google claims that they're not going to do
> anything with the data, but
> > > there's nothing to stop them if they do.
> >
> > Like we believe that... (about a company who's
> stated aim was to
> > database everything). *I think it's more of a
> concern what they'd do
> > with it, rather than worrying *if* they'll do
> something with it.
>
> The answer's simple enough. If you don't trust
> them, don't use it.
>
> Anne
>
> --

I saw something that might be related in some way or another.

I also use Slax Linux Live CD, and I saw that firefox contained something called Trackware.Alexa,

http://www.slax.org/forum.php?action=view&parentID=11837&highlight=ale xa%20in%20firefox

Trackware.Alexa should only affect Windows users as the following link

http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2004-062410-3624-99

says, but If it made its way into Linux. We are not safe anymore are we?

We do not need "Toolbars" and those trackware/malware/spyware stuff that exists in Windows. We have to keep an eye out for what is coming. Now I can say Gooooooo..........ooo Konqueror!!!!

Thanks for the warning, I was looking forward to update Firefox, now I'll keep it as it came with Fedora 9.

Regards,

Antonio




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