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Old 06-22-2010, 04:59 PM
Ralf Corsepius
 
Default FHS being ignored

Hi,

Another FHS violation has made it into Fedora:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=606854

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Old 06-22-2010, 05:50 PM
Rex Dieter
 
Default FHS being ignored

Ralf Corsepius wrote:

> Another FHS violation has made it into Fedora:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=606854

Its a pseudo-filesystem, akin to /proc (is /proc in FHS?)

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Old 06-22-2010, 06:09 PM
Jon Ciesla
 
Default FHS being ignored

On 06/22/2010 11:59 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Another FHS violation has made it into Fedora:
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=606854
>
> Ralf
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I was going to look at the review and see what happened, but I can't
find one.

-J

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Old 06-22-2010, 06:57 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default FHS being ignored

Jon Ciesla (limb@jcomserv.net) said:
> I was going to look at the review and see what happened, but I can't
> find one.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448491

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Old 06-23-2010, 02:33 AM
Ralf Corsepius
 
Default FHS being ignored

On 06/22/2010 07:50 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
>> Another FHS violation has made it into Fedora:
>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=606854
>
> Its a pseudo-filesystem, akin to /proc

=> /var/<somewhere>

Also,
# rpm -qf /cgroup
libcgroup-0.35.1-1.fc13.x86_64
doesn't make sense.


> (is /proc in FHS?)
No, it's a historic FHS violation, hardly anybody is in a position to
change due to its long history.

This doesn't mean we have to "blindly swallow" further cases

(We already have been ignorant about /selinux).

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Old 06-23-2010, 02:45 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default FHS being ignored

Ralf Corsepius (rc040203@freenet.de) said:
> >> Another FHS violation has made it into Fedora:
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=606854
> >
> > Its a pseudo-filesystem, akin to /proc
>
> => /var/<somewhere>

Won't work. /var can be a separate filesystem, cgroup filesystem
may need to be available as boot.

> Also,
> # rpm -qf /cgroup
> libcgroup-0.35.1-1.fc13.x86_64
> doesn't make sense.

It could possibly be filesystem, I suppose. The original proposal
was to add it in systemd just because it used it, which is obviously
wrong.

> This doesn't mean we have to "blindly swallow" further cases
>
> (We already have been ignorant about /selinux).

I prefer 'not blindly adhering to a dogmatic standard', myself.

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Old 06-28-2010, 11:34 AM
Ralf Corsepius
 
Default FHS being ignored

On 06/23/2010 04:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Ralf Corsepius (rc040203@freenet.de) said:
>>>> Another FHS violation has made it into Fedora:
>>>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=606854
>>>
>>> Its a pseudo-filesystem, akin to /proc
>>
>> => /var/<somewhere>
>
> Won't work. /var can be a separate filesystem, cgroup filesystem
> may need to be available as boot.
Design flaw?

Who populates this directory?
Who uses it?

>> Also,
>> # rpm -qf /cgroup
>> libcgroup-0.35.1-1.fc13.x86_64
>> doesn't make sense.
>
> It could possibly be filesystem, I suppose. The original proposal
> was to add it in systemd just because it used it, which is obviously
> wrong.


>> This doesn't mean we have to "blindly swallow" further cases
>>
>> (We already have been ignorant about /selinux).
>
> I prefer 'not blindly adhering to a dogmatic standard', myself.

I prefer RH to learn not to continue ignoring estabished standards.

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Old 06-28-2010, 11:40 AM
Jeroen van Meeuwen
 
Default FHS being ignored

Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Ralf Corsepius (rc040203@freenet.de) said:
> > >> Another FHS violation has made it into Fedora:
> > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=606854
> > >
> > > Its a pseudo-filesystem, akin to /proc
> >
> > => /var/<somewhere>
>
> Won't work. /var can be a separate filesystem, cgroup filesystem
> may need to be available as boot.
>

How "must" it be available at boot, if the directory is created during runtime
(e.g. on service start, as the bug referred to mentions in comment #5)?
Afaics, only the mountpoint needs to be there when the service starts.

If not, should then /var not also be available at boot since services depend
on files/directories in /var?

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Old 06-28-2010, 03:19 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default FHS being ignored

Ralf Corsepius (rc040203@freenet.de) said:
> >Won't work. /var can be a separate filesystem, cgroup filesystem
> >may need to be available as boot.
>
> Who populates this directory?
> Who uses it?

Any service that wants to create a control group. In some cases, that's
init.

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Old 06-28-2010, 03:21 PM
Bill Nottingham
 
Default FHS being ignored

Jeroen van Meeuwen (kanarip@kanarip.com) said:
> How "must" it be available at boot, if the directory is created during runtime
> (e.g. on service start, as the bug referred to mentions in comment #5)?
> Afaics, only the mountpoint needs to be there when the service starts.

See above reply. There are init implementations that create cgroups for
thigns that they start.

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