On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@redhat.com> wrote:

> Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what
> our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but
> I don't know what we do to test.

Sure thing - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease

One of these matrices is created for every release. Feel free to
suggest new testcases as well

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On Mon, 19 May 2008, Jon Stanley wrote:

> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what
> > our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but
> > I don't know what we do to test.
>
> Sure thing - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease
>
> One of these matrices is created for every release. Feel free to
> suggest new testcases as well
>

/me is just taking this opportunity to express his love... for The Jon
Stanley. I'll be paying more close attention for F10 and participating in
those matrices.

-Mike

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On Mon, 19 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:


On Mon, 19 May 2008, Mike McGrath wrote:


Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what
our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but
I don't know what we do to test.


Jon Stanley. Paging Jon Stanley.

I don't think we have one.


OK, my apologies: we do have one. Here it is:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TreeTestingTemplate

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On Mon, 19 May 2008, Jon Stanley wrote:


On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@redhat.com> wrote:


Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what
our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but
I don't know what we do to test.


Sure thing - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease

One of these matrices is created for every release. Feel free to
suggest new testcases as well


OK, so I'm shooting my mouth off about stuff I know nothing about. It
happens.


So the coherent question becomes, "how can we make it dead-simple for
everyone to run these test cases?"


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On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg <gdk@redhat.com> wrote:

> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TreeTestingTemplate

As with a lot of things on the wiki, this is out of date We're
going with the matrices that have spots for folks to put their names,
etc.

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On Mon, 19 May 2008, Greg DeKoenigsberg wrote:

> On Mon, 19 May 2008, Jon Stanley wrote:
>
> > On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Side note about this... Does anyone know if we have a public list of what
> > > our test matrix is? I'd be happy to test and sign off on some things but
> > > I don't know what we do to test.
> >
> > Sure thing -
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora9Install/FinalRelease
> >
> > One of these matrices is created for every release. Feel free to
> > suggest new testcases as well
>
> OK, so I'm shooting my mouth off about stuff I know nothing about. It
> happens.
>
> So the coherent question becomes, "how can we make it dead-simple for everyone
> to run these test cases?"
>

/me isn't sure if there's some fancy test suite or not so the rest of this
email is written under the assumption that there is no fancy test suite.

There's a few ways we could make it dead simple for the masses but its a
lot of work to get to that point.

1) Submit scripts for people to run
2) Submit kickstarts for people to use
3) Give detailed directions for the people to follow.

-Mike

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On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Greg DeKoenigsberg <gdk@redhat.com> wrote:
> Look, we're getting *really* favorable coverage for F9. I expect that
> coverage will continue. I think this is a case of taking criticism
> graciously, admitting our imperfections, and working to do better next time.

I agree whole-heartedly with this statement. The majority of the
press surrounding F9 has been positive - which is great for Fedora.
We continue to push new things out the door and make the functionality
of many areas better while adhering to open standards.

But just as we graciously accept the positive comments, we also need
to accept the comments regarding imperfections of a release. They at
least warrant further analysis and consideration of such comments.
These are the areas we might be able to improve - whether it be
improvement in the testing process, determining what packages we
release with and more.

As we look at some the areas where comments were less than favorable,
we might determine we are happy with our reasons for releasing what we
did or the process behind the decision making. In other cases we
might see that yes, we should work on that area a little more and try
to focus some attention there.

It is how we continue to improve.

~Jeffrey

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