Evening all,

We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org
site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank
Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use
Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues:

1) What do we actually want to use the site for?

My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other
marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what
press.redhat.com is.

2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra
would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on
Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I
understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by
Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also
allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think).

3) Experiment and play - find a work flow that's right for us! We may need
some test material for this, such as an example FWN release or a mock
announcement.

4) We need a theme. I've started on one, and whatever we create for
Wordpress should also work on Lyceum, though we've had some problems with
this! If you're interested to see what I've got so far,
test.questionsplease.org will let you I can make this available for
people to use as a base. All I've done is create a simple Wordpress
template that uses the ids and classes from fedora.css, and point at that
for the style sheet. I'll upload this to my fedorapeople space soon...

Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different
roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the
install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here?

I think that's all for now. Does anybody have any thoughts or ideas about
this? Ah, and finally, could we keep all replies to the marketing list, if
people think that's appropriate? Better to do everything once than 5 times!


Best wishes, and sorry for all the stuff I've probably forgotten!

Jon

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Jonathan Roberts wrote:


Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different
roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the
install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here?


You want

https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/lyceum/portal.php

Rahul

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On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:42:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram
<sundaram@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Jonathan Roberts wrote:
>
>> Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different
>> roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the
>> install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here?
>
> You want
>
> https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/lyceum/portal.php

Thanks Rahul!

Also, if people sign up, could they let us know what role they had in mind
for themselves? Editor or author I think are the options...

Best wishes,

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On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:04 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> Evening all,
>
> We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org
> site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank
> Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use
> Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues:
>
> 1) What do we actually want to use the site for?
>
> My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other
> marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what
> press.redhat.com is.
>
> 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra
> would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on
> Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I
> understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by
> Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also
> allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think).

Wordpress MU is, aiui, the multiple-blog system. Lyceum was a fork of
Wordpress to do multiple-blogs from one install, and they've worked to
rebase on Wordpress regularly. However, Wordpress MU is the formal
effort from Wordpress itself, so it might grow to be stronger with the
rest of Wordpress. It would presumably play more nicely with plugins,
etc., but I've no experience there. Here it is in the words of WP
themselves:

http://mu.wordpress.org/faq/

I wouldn't put a ton of weight on what Red Hat Magazine is using. It
could be switched at any time, right? At the time that RHM was put
together using a blog engine, Lyceum was the clear choice.

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On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Karsten 'quaid' Wade wrote:

>
> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:04 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> > Evening all,
> >
> > We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org
> > site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank
> > Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use
> > Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues:
> >
> > 1) What do we actually want to use the site for?
> >
> > My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other
> > marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what
> > press.redhat.com is.
> >
> > 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra
> > would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on
> > Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I
> > understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by
> > Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also
> > allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think).
>
> Wordpress MU is, aiui, the multiple-blog system. Lyceum was a fork of
> Wordpress to do multiple-blogs from one install, and they've worked to
> rebase on Wordpress regularly. However, Wordpress MU is the formal
> effort from Wordpress itself, so it might grow to be stronger with the
> rest of Wordpress. It would presumably play more nicely with plugins,
> etc., but I've no experience there. Here it is in the words of WP
> themselves:
>
> http://mu.wordpress.org/faq/
>
> I wouldn't put a ton of weight on what Red Hat Magazine is using. It
> could be switched at any time, right? At the time that RHM was put
> together using a blog engine, Lyceum was the clear choice.
>

We actually had a lot of problems getting MU going. Especially as it
relates to some simple things (like using https instead of http) which
required changes to the code itself :-/ Frank Chiulli is the primary
Infrastructure contact on that right now though, he actually went through
all the steps to get it up and going.

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Jonathan Roberts wrote:

Evening all,

We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org
site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank
Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use
Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues:

1) What do we actually want to use the site for?

My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other
marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what
press.redhat.com is.

2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra
would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on
Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I
understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by
Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also
allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think).


I recommend Drupal. It provides multi user blog and whole lot of other
features.

3) Experiment and play - find a work flow that's right for us! We may need
some test material for this, such as an example FWN release or a mock
announcement.

4) We need a theme. I've started on one, and whatever we create for
Wordpress should also work on Lyceum, though we've had some problems with
this! If you're interested to see what I've got so far,
test.questionsplease.org will let you I can make this available for
people to use as a base. All I've done is create a simple Wordpress
template that uses the ids and classes from fedora.css, and point at that
for the style sheet. I'll upload this to my fedorapeople space soon...



I would be glad to help set-up Drupal for news.fedoraproject.org.

Anyone is welcome to sign up and we can start adding people in different
roles to the Fedora News blog I created in Lyceum, but the URL for the
install is on another box...Rahul, Frank, can you help me out here?

I think that's all for now. Does anybody have any thoughts or ideas about
this? Ah, and finally, could we keep all replies to the marketing list, if
people think that's appropriate? Better to do everything once than 5 times!


Best wishes, and sorry for all the stuff I've probably forgotten!

Jon



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On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:04 -0600, Jonathan Roberts wrote:
> Evening all,
>
> We've been talking for a while about setting up a news.fedoraproject.org
> site, for a number of different uses. Thanks to the hard work of Frank
> Chiulli we now have a test install of Lyceum on publictest 1 for our use
> Before moving forward with this, we need to deal with a number of issues:
>
> 1) What do we actually want to use the site for?
>
> My thoughts are that we use it for Fedora Weekly News, along with other
> marketing stuff such as interviews and announcements - similar to what
> press.redhat.com is.

Agreed, and it doesn't ever hurt to reaggregate stuff either.

> 2) Depending on the above, do we want to use Lyceum or Wordpress? Infra
> would like us to have whatever solution we use packaged and yumable on
> Fedora; Wordpress is already in while Lyceum needs packaging. As I
> understand it Lyceum allows us to have multiple blogs and is what's used by
> Red Hat Magazine. Wordpress only allows for the one blog, but would also
> allow multiple authors/editors on a single blog (I think).

One thing I would like to see, and which I mentioned to Seth Vidal at
FUDCon in Raleigh in January, was a way for us to offer blogs as a
service to our account holders.

The HTTPS work that Frank has done was probably a key action in making
that possible, but I'm not sure exactly how close that gets us.

It wouldn't be too hard for us to act as an OpenID provider for our
account holders either, which is another nice way of advertising and
pushing open standards.

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So people,

what are we doing about this next?

It seems that there are a number of good reasons for us to make this
work using Lyceum, so I'm happy to go with that provided we can find a
packager - Rahul you said you might be able to help with this? Also,
Mike McGrath mentioned that we have an existing relationship with
upstream so perhaps they might be interested in helping? And one final
port of call could be Fedora's current Wordpress maintainer...

With respect to workflow, how do people think we can test this? I
personally think if we come up with an initial list of content types
we're targeting, and do a test run of each of these to see how things
will work? Maybe this is overkill, I'm open to suggestions!

Infra can help us out with OpenID/SSS.

And as for the theme, what do people think of what I came up with at
http://test.questionsplease.org ?

Let's try and get answers to all these questions by the next week, I
think that seems a reasonable target and then perhaps we can begin to
move forward with this again

Best wishes,

Jon

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote:

And as for the theme, what do people think of what I came up with at
http://test.questionsplease.org ?

The footer is slightly broken. I'll see if I can find a fix for that for
you. -- ian

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On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@redhat.com> wrote:
> We actually had a lot of problems getting MU going. Especially as it
> relates to some simple things (like using https instead of http) which
> required changes to the code itself :-/ Frank Chiulli is the primary
> Infrastructure contact on that right now though, he actually went through
> all the steps to get it up and going.

Can we get some more details on this? Does this plugin help at all?
http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/secure-admin/

I know there are many reports of people having difficulties with
plugins under Lyceum. That may cause some serious problems depending
on what the team may wish to do in the future.. On the flip side at
least its possible to compare notes with the team running Lyceum for
Red Hat proper. I recently had to go through this same process for
our use internally. I was initially leaning twards Lyceum but the
plugin issue was the deciding factor. That and the community size
differences. I figured I was better off support wise with more people
participating in the wpmu project.

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