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Dear Mr. Marques

My name is André Braga. I'm writing from Brasilia, Brazil. I'm a Linux
user and enthusiast as you. I've started using Linux with a Brazilian
Red Hat based distribution: Conectiva Linux
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conectiva. The first version of Conectiva
was distributed back in 1997. Maybe you've heard about Marcelo Tosatti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcelo_Tosatti. He started his career at
Conectiva. Mandrakesoft bought the company in 2005 (for 1.79 million
euros). I jumped to Fedora 2 at that time.

The previous paragraph is about one single distribution. If you search
a little, you'll notice that Brazil has an important role in the Linux
community and in the use of the Portuguese language within Linux. So,
it is not odd that we may find many pages in pt_BR, even when one
could expect only pt.

We also play an important role in the Portuguese language, which we
thankfully inherited from the great explorer Portugal country. I'd
like to state that we Brazilians love Portuguese as much as you
people. We also love Portugal's culture, despite of some prejudice we
may suffer. Nevertheless, an uncountable number of Portuguese came to
my gentle land to make their life since 1500, the beginning, until
now. More than 1,000,000 Portuguese were embraced in Brazil only in
the 20th century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Brazilian).
Portugal has now near 11,000,000 people but it spreaded its beautiful
language through many countries. We are more than 190,000,000
Portuguese speakers in Brazil!

Above all this flame, it is important to know that there is not such a
thing as a “correct Portuguese (European)�. I could mention many
historical facts which support this statement, but the real point is
that since 01-jan-2010 the Portuguese Language Orthographic Agreement
of 1990 came into force. From Wikipedia: “The Portuguese Language
Orthographic Agreement of 1990 (in Portuguese, Acordo Ortográfico da
LÃ*ngua Portuguesa de 1990) is an international treaty whose purpose is
to create a unified orthography for the Portuguese language, to be
used by all the countries that have Portuguese as their official
language. It was signed by official representatives from seven of the
eight Portuguese-language countries: Angola, Brazil, Cape Verde,
Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique, Portugal and São Tomé e PrÃ*ncipe, in
Lisbon, on December 16, 1990, at the end of a negotiation, begun in
1980, between the Lisbon Science Academy and the Brazilian Academy of
Letters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_Language_Orthographic_Agreement_of_1990

Besides, the mentioned page is not in pt_BR. Also, it is not that bad,
anyway! The word "cobrar" is badly employed, it is true. Maybe you can
also complain about the use of "você", but you can check that it is
listed in this PORTUGUESE on-line dictionary
http://www.priberam.pt/dlpo/default.aspx?pal=voc%C3%AA. The rest is
mostly a matter of writing style.

Anyway. Is it really that important? As for me, you can go there and
change everything. I'll still love Portuguese and Linux.

Kind regards.
André Luiz Sordi Braga
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David,

For expressions like: Above all this flame, it is important to know that
there is not such a thing as a “correct Portuguese (European)�.

I am expecting public apologies from it's author. Else, I will take
actions, in this list would be nice also from Mário Torre for refering
my official language as a dialect. That is a very depreciate comment.


nelson


On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:46 -0400, David Nalley wrote:
> Nelson: in response to your question of whether or not you should
> depart. I certainly hope that you don't. I see great potential in some
> of the work you are doing, and hope to see that flourish. However,
> Fedora is a community, and the members of that community must respect
> one another. Moreover I think, there's a technical solution to all of
> this, that would obviate the disagreement. That being said, continued
> behavior as seen in this thread, on your part or other's is not
> tolerable.
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Nelson!

I read all of the conversation and I do not see any point of ongoing
conversations on-list. PLEASE take that off the list!!!

You wrote yourself:
---

On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 17:10 +0200, Mario Torre wrote:

> > Correct,
> >
> > I think this is Brasilian Portugues, isn't it?
>
Objective isn't flaming. I don't know if it is pt_BR or anything else,
but I know Portuguese it isn't. Explanation goes to Mario in Portuguese
for Mario only, because I am not sure if I can articulate this properly
in English:

[...]
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So, the whole thing is definitly a thing between the two of you and maybe the work of translating some wikipages and redirect some URL's.

Also I see no Mails from Mario or any other with any disrespectful content, except your mails where you going to tell again and again that there was some. We are going here in circles and as Paul and David pointed out before and I also must agree with: please do not threaten us with something that definitly do not concern The Marketing Mailinglist and the actual Marketing plan. Thanks.



Am 06.05.2010 06:27, schrieb Nelson Marques:
> David,
>
> For expressions like: Above all this flame, it is important to know that
> there is not such a thing as a “correct Portuguese (European)�.
>
> I am expecting public apologies from it's author. Else, I will take
> actions, in this list would be nice also from Mário Torre for refering
> my official language as a dialect. That is a very depreciate comment.
>
>
> nelson
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-05-05 at 20:46 -0400, David Nalley wrote:
>
>> Nelson: in response to your question of whether or not you should
>> depart. I certainly hope that you don't. I see great potential in some
>> of the work you are doing, and hope to see that flourish. However,
>> Fedora is a community, and the members of that community must respect
>> one another. Moreover I think, there's a technical solution to all of
>> this, that would obviate the disagreement. That being said, continued
>> behavior as seen in this thread, on your part or other's is not
>> tolerable.
>>

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