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Old 12-30-2007, 08:18 PM
"Zhukov Pavel"
 
Default Multiple distro reviews

On 12/31/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic@gmail.com> wrote:
> In this multiple disto review:
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20071203#review
>
> Fedora got second worst score, I can't imagine why but still I wanted
> to share the link.
>
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looks like author has never installed fedora, just read some 3-d party
reviews.

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Old 12-30-2007, 08:38 PM
Oliver Falk
 
Default Multiple distro reviews

Valent Turkovic schrieb:
> In this multiple disto review:
> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20071203#review
>
> Fedora got second worst score, I can't imagine why but still I wanted
> to share the link.

Oh well. Giving SuSE 8 for pkg management and Fedora only a 5 is a shame.

But the summary gives an explanation for the final result:

"The bottom line is that you really need to know what you are doing if
you want to use Fedora. It is not for novices, although installing this
distribution will probably cause you to take a crash course in Linux
system configuration, which could result in you becoming a guru, after
some considerable frustration. Not recommended for those wishing to
convert from using Windows, but developers will probably like the
environment."

Some numbers of my latest installs:
* Red Hat Enterprise Linux (about 10 minutes - kickstart)
* Fedora (about 30 minutes, quite fast machine)
* S.u.S.E. (about 1 day - in 1996, "pkg management": tarballs!)

So S.u.S.E. is worse in installation and worse in pkg management. :-P

-of

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Old 12-31-2007, 07:47 AM
"Tejas Dinkar"
 
Default Multiple distro reviews

I smell a bias:

According to the TFA:

1) Ubuntu took 3 attempts attempts to install. But still it got an 8
in that field, compared to Fedora which got 7
2) `System configuration can be fiddly, and configuring wireless
Internet often requires some knowledge as you probably have to set up
NDISwrapper.`.... wtf? Because ubuntu uses some magical kernel which
all wireless drivers work? Notice the `you probably`... ie, he never
tried
3) Maybe we should have a `select which services to keep running` as
part of the installer? You can't deny Fedora enables a LOT of
services, many of which take a bit of time to get going.

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Old 12-31-2007, 08:00 AM
Manuel Wolfshant
 
Default Multiple distro reviews

On 12/31/2007 10:47 AM, Tejas Dinkar wrote:

I smell a bias:

According to the TFA:

1) Ubuntu took 3 attempts attempts to install. But still it got an 8
in that field, compared to Fedora which got 7
2) `System configuration can be fiddly, and configuring wireless
Internet often requires some knowledge as you probably have to set up
NDISwrapper.`.... wtf? Because ubuntu uses some magical kernel which
all wireless drivers work? Notice the `you probably`... ie, he never
tried
3) Maybe we should have a `select which services to keep running` as
part of the installer? You can't deny Fedora enables a LOT of
services, many of which take a bit of time to get going.


Just two weeks ago I have installed Ubuntu on a Dell laptop belonging to
a friend. It only took a couple of mouse clicks and no previous
knowledge (besides the mere "I know there are some binary drivers needed
and they are not included by default"; note the absence of any mention
of a specific repository info here) to have ATI (hence 3D video) and
Broadcom (hence wireless) to have everything working.
Leaving aside any rant or justification about patents and such, from a
user point of view I would have noted Ubuntu with 9 and Fedora with 5.
As for the difference between "it just works " and "dig on google for
what to do in order to add the repository, extract the firmware and
install it"


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Old 12-31-2007, 03:56 PM
"Valent Turkovic"
 
Default Multiple distro reviews

On 12/31/07, Manuel Wolfshant <wolfy@nobugconsulting.ro> wrote:
> On 12/31/2007 10:47 AM, Tejas Dinkar wrote:
> > I smell a bias:
> >
> > According to the TFA:
> >
> > 1) Ubuntu took 3 attempts attempts to install. But still it got an 8
> > in that field, compared to Fedora which got 7
> > 2) `System configuration can be fiddly, and configuring wireless
> > Internet often requires some knowledge as you probably have to set up
> > NDISwrapper.`.... wtf? Because ubuntu uses some magical kernel which
> > all wireless drivers work? Notice the `you probably`... ie, he never
> > tried
> > 3) Maybe we should have a `select which services to keep running` as
> > part of the installer? You can't deny Fedora enables a LOT of
> > services, many of which take a bit of time to get going.
> >
> >
> Just two weeks ago I have installed Ubuntu on a Dell laptop belonging to
> a friend. It only took a couple of mouse clicks and no previous
> knowledge (besides the mere "I know there are some binary drivers needed
> and they are not included by default"; note the absence of any mention
> of a specific repository info here) to have ATI (hence 3D video) and
> Broadcom (hence wireless) to have everything working.
> Leaving aside any rant or justification about patents and such, from a
> user point of view I would have noted Ubuntu with 9 and Fedora with 5.
> As for the difference between "it just works " and "dig on google for
> what to do in order to add the repository, extract the firmware and
> install it"

If you need things "Just to work" and aren't bothered by firmware and
other blobs in your kernel why don't you just use LinuxMint?

It is an enhanced version of Ubuntu and it "Just Works".

Your friends will thank you many times...

http://linuxmint.com/

Valent.

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Old 01-01-2008, 05:58 AM
Eduardo Villagrán Morales
 
Default Multiple distro reviews

El lun, 31-12-2007 a las 17:56 +0100, Valent Turkovic escribió:
> On 12/31/07, Manuel Wolfshant <wolfy@nobugconsulting.ro> wrote:
> > On 12/31/2007 10:47 AM, Tejas Dinkar wrote:
> > > I smell a bias:
> > >
> > > According to the TFA:
> > >
> > > 1) Ubuntu took 3 attempts attempts to install. But still it got an 8
> > > in that field, compared to Fedora which got 7
> > > 2) `System configuration can be fiddly, and configuring wireless
> > > Internet often requires some knowledge as you probably have to set up
> > > NDISwrapper.`.... wtf? Because ubuntu uses some magical kernel which
> > > all wireless drivers work? Notice the `you probably`... ie, he never
> > > tried
> > > 3) Maybe we should have a `select which services to keep running` as
> > > part of the installer? You can't deny Fedora enables a LOT of
> > > services, many of which take a bit of time to get going.
> > >
> > >
> > Just two weeks ago I have installed Ubuntu on a Dell laptop belonging to
> > a friend. It only took a couple of mouse clicks and no previous
> > knowledge (besides the mere "I know there are some binary drivers needed
> > and they are not included by default"; note the absence of any mention
> > of a specific repository info here) to have ATI (hence 3D video) and
> > Broadcom (hence wireless) to have everything working.
> > Leaving aside any rant or justification about patents and such, from a
> > user point of view I would have noted Ubuntu with 9 and Fedora with 5.
> > As for the difference between "it just works " and "dig on google for
> > what to do in order to add the repository, extract the firmware and
> > install it"
I install Ubuntu on my Compaq V3000, wireless not work. I follow the
ubuntu wiki help.
On Fedora 7 and Fedora 8, the wireless work with few steps.

Ubuntu remove my previous grub (never ask me). Fedora ask if you need a
new grub.

Ubuntu's installer dont let choose (like Window$)

>
> If you need things "Just to work" and aren't bothered by firmware and
> other blobs in your kernel why don't you just use LinuxMint?
>
> It is an enhanced version of Ubuntu and it "Just Works".
>
> Your friends will thank you many times...
>
> http://linuxmint.com/
>
> Valent.
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