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Old 12-26-2007, 05:47 PM
Michael Beckwith
 
Default Form widgets on fpo website

I'm apparently blind, you're unclear with what you say. From a personal
standpoint, when someone lists some terms with any reference to google,
they mean to do searching, not look at the buttons on the page. Should
have clarified.

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

You're blind... Google.com has native widgets!

Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:


Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I
don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just
for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native
widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking
for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked,
I'd be happy to click.
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For the sake of arguement of why I was, perhaps, not the best person to
try arguing the point, I attached what I see with most form buttons,
including google.com. It takes on the colors of my gnome theme
overall,* using 2.0.0.10 build of FF









Martin Sourada wrote:

On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote:


Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for?
I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page.
Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for
both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what
I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one
out like I asked, I'd be happy to click.




Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example
with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences:
this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is
start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the
difference on first sight

Martin





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Old 12-26-2007, 05:55 PM
"Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek"
 
Default Form widgets on fpo website

Well, Firefox !=< 3 sucks a little bit.

Dnia 26-12-2007, śro o godzinie 12:47 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:
> I'm apparently blind, you're unclear with what you say. From a
> personal standpoint, when someone lists some terms with any reference
> to google, they mean to do searching, not look at the buttons on the
> page. Should have clarified.
> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> > You're blind... Google.com has native widgets!
> >
> > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:
> >
> > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I
> > > don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just
> > > for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native
> > > widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking
> > > for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked,
> > > I'd be happy to click.
> > > --
> > >
> > > ~Michael
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> > > http://michaelbox.net (eventually)
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> For the sake of arguement of why I was, perhaps, not the best person
> to try arguing the point, I attached what I see with most form
> buttons, including google.com. It takes on the colors of my gnome
> theme overall, using 2.0.0.10 build of FF
>
>
>
>
> Martin Sourada wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote:
> >
> > > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for?
> > > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page.
> > > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for
> > > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what
> > > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one
> > > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example
> > with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences:
> > this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is
> > start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the
> > difference on first sight
> >
> > Martin
>
>
> --
> ~Michael
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> http://michaelbox.net (eventually)
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Old 12-29-2007, 05:12 AM
Rogue
 
Default Form widgets on fpo website

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Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide
> CSS for them.
>

The idea of CSS styling of the widgets is to ensure that the widgets
look the same across different browsers.

Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What
about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers
look terrible?

I would suggest that the overall CSS of FPO could be overhauled as part
of the F9 release?

Any thoughts on this one?

later,
Rogue
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Old 12-29-2007, 08:39 AM
"Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek"
 
Default Form widgets on fpo website

It's not our problem, if browser renders widgets ugly.
We should provide native buttons or buttons with eye-candy bg.

2007/12/29, Rogue <roguexz@gmail.com
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Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

> Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide
> CSS for them.
>

The idea of CSS styling of the widgets is to ensure that the widgets
look the same across different browsers.


Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What
about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers
look terrible?

I would suggest that the overall CSS of FPO could be overhauled as part

of the F9 release?

Any thoughts on this one?

later,
Rogue
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:29 AM
Kevin Kofler
 
Default Form widgets on fpo website

Rogue <roguexz <at> gmail.com> writes:
> Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What
> about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers
> look terrible?

The main 2 browser engines in Fedora are:
* Gecko - for everything using this, the widgets will look just as in Firefox 3
(from Fedora 9 on),
* KHTML (Konqueror) - ignores the widget styling entirely, so it's actually
already displaying a native widget,
so what browsers exactly are you worrying about?

Also, I don't think the native widget can look worse than a simple
rectangle. ;-)

Kevin Kofler

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Old 12-30-2007, 02:59 PM
Rogue
 
Default Form widgets on fpo website

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Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Rogue <roguexz <at> gmail.com> writes:
>> Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What
>> about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers
>> look terrible?
>
> The main 2 browser engines in Fedora are:
> * Gecko - for everything using this, the widgets will look just as in Firefox 3
> (from Fedora 9 on),
> * KHTML (Konqueror) - ignores the widget styling entirely, so it's actually
> already displaying a native widget,
> so what browsers exactly are you worrying about?

By other browsers, I mean, Opera 9+, Safari and IE too.

Now I know that Safari / IE support sounds ridiculous, but consider a
user running these applications and browsing our website? To give you an
instance, I sometimes access my mails over the iPhone, which means I am
using a Apple Mail + Safari combination. I would personally appreciate
it if the site /behaved/ the same. Now the definition of behavior can be
left to the site designers - some may choose to include L&Fs, others may
choose to restrict it to only functionality.

The point is that there are possibilities of indirect accesses of our site.

Regarding the non-gecko Fedora-packaged HTML engines, I believe we
should be filling bug reports against them for not supporting the
standards :-)

>
> Also, I don't think the native widget can look worse than a simple
> rectangle. ;-)

Definitely :-)

- -Rogue
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