FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for it
to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to have
things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and appeal
your case to them.



Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and
they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong.

Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:


I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it.
It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice
looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still
gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to
be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish"
with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements.

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:


Exactly that widgets should not be styled.

Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:



Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the
default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms.
It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do
with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either
use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it.

On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form
widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one
to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way
enough to not worry about personally.

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:



But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the
appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular
(rectangles were nice in win9x epoch).




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What styling form has to do with Web2.0? What you're talking about,
man?!

Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 13:16 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:
> FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for
> it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to
> have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and
> appeal your case to them.
>
> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> > You don't understand. Rectangular widgets, non-native are ugly and
> > they're making websites looking more out-of-the-box, what's wrong.
> >
> > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:23 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:
> >
> > > I see nothing wrong with styling it for those who have support for it.
> > > It's a web accessability thing. Ability to style it and see a nice
> > > looking form, or if your browser doesn't support it, then it still
> > > gets form controls with the universal default which still allows it to
> > > be useable. If your complaint is that the styled version is "90ish"
> > > with a square appearance, then I will reconsider my arguements.
> > >
> > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> > >
> > > > Exactly that widgets should not be styled.
> > > >
> > > > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 12:06 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Well, you can do the appealing to the people that be that dictate the
> > > > > default appearance of any sort of basic form appearance for forms.
> > > > > It's nothing that the art or the website team have anything to do
> > > > > with. Until you can appeal to the people that set this, you can either
> > > > > use a browser that supports styled forms, or put up with it.
> > > > >
> > > > > On a personal note, I am not really all that bothered by whatever form
> > > > > widgets are on fedoraproject.org root url. Only one I see is the one
> > > > > to switch the language, which is small enough and out of the way
> > > > > enough to not worry about personally.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > But it doesn't change the fact. Form styling (not the alignment, the
> > > > > > appearance css part) MUST be removed or changed to non-rectangular
> > > > > > (rectangles were nice in win9x epoch).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > --
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A lot of web2.0 styling and appearance relies on curved edges, rounded
corners, lots of gradients, glossy buttons, etc. Your complaint is
about square "ugly" form buttons.



Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

What styling form has to do with Web2.0? What you're talking about,
man?!

Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 13:16 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:


FP.org is not a Web 2.0centric website. The most important thing for
it to do is present information about Fedora. If you really want to
have things with the form change, contact the right mailing list and
appeal your case to them.


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Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of
the type of form styling you would like to see?


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Google.com - native widgets.

Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:
> Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of
> the type of form styling you would like to see?
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Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I
don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just
for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native
widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking for.
Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked, I'd
be happy to click.



Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

Google.com - native widgets.

Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:


Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of
the type of form styling you would like to see?

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On Sun, 23 Dec 2007, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I don't know who made CSS for fpo, but he should know, that native
> widgets look better than rectangular ugly ones...
>
> Especially when Firefox 3 is gonna arrive very quickly.


FWIW, - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/ShowUs

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On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote:
> Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for?
> I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page.
> Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for
> both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what
> I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one
> out like I asked, I'd be happy to click.
>

Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example
with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences:
this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is
start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the
difference on first sight

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You're blind... Google.com has native widgets!

Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 18:38 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:
> Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for? I
> don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page. Just
> for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for both "native
> widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what I was asking
> for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one out like I asked,
> I'd be happy to click.
>
> Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
> > Google.com - native widgets.
> >
> > Dnia 25-12-2007, wto o godzinie 15:58 -0600, Michael Beckwith pisze:
> >
> > > Actually, Jakub, could you do me a favor and link to a page or image of
> > > the type of form styling you would like to see?
> > >
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Firefox3 provides beautiful native GTK widgets, so we shouldn't provide
CSS for them.

Dnia 26-12-2007, śro o godzinie 09:35 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze:
> On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 01:38 +0100, Michael Beckwith wrote:
> > Why should I do a google search for something you're arguing for?
> > I don't have a problem with what I'm seeing when I visit the page.
> > Just for the sake of not arguing, I did do a google search for
> > both "native widgets" and didn't find any sort of examples of what
> > I was asking for. Maybe I'm just blind, so if you could point one
> > out like I asked, I'd be happy to click.
> >
>
> Personally I think he meant the google.com page itself as an example
> with the "right" widgets. So to show you the differences:
> this[ff-old.png] is start.fp.o in F8's epiphany, this[ff-native] is
> start.fp.o in FF3 and this[ff-fpo] is fp.o. I guess you see the
> difference on first sight
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