2008/6/27 Jack Aboutboul <jaa@redhat.com>:
> Hey All,
>

Count me in too... I am teacher from Universidad Central, in Chile,
and work for Red Hat Chile as Consultant.
I'm ambassador from Santiago de Chile and can help u in all.

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Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>
> I think there are a lot of people chomping at the bit to get something
> done. A framework to work inside of would help a lot. But beyond
> just being a rep... we need some guidance on how to tell students and
> faculty how to take on Fedora relevant work as academic projects.
>
> >From my personal point of view, I already know what Fedora relevant
> work I want to encourage students to work on. I don't need a list of
> ideas, nor do I need a list of mentors. I'm pretty sure I can find
> individual existing contributors who would take on a student if I
> knock on the right doors inside our project.
>
> But what I need to know is some advice on how to approach both
> students and faculty in a way that they continue to be open to the
> subtly corrosive effects of my continued manipulation. What are the
> selling points that I need to stress to the students? What are the
> selling points I need to stress to the faculty who are going to end up
> giving students some sort of academic credit and possibly a grade for
> the work as part of their academic career?
>
> -jef


Jeff,

I think the role that you mention here -- being a matchmaker between a
student, a potential need (project), and community resources -- is even
more essential than that of a traditional 'mentor'.

As for selling points for student-projects-within-opensource, there are
many; here are two:

- Open source projects give students an opportunity to work "at scale"
-- on projects which have a larger codebase, are more established, have
a larger user base, and which will have more real-world impact than most
student projects.

- Open source projects are "real world". The code has the warts and
twists and ugly bruises of real-world code that's been through a few
development iterations, which is exactly the kind of code that students
will encounter in industry (whether "industry" is running particle
colliders, modeling the stock market, or working on embedded systems).

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My role at MIT is to try and make things easier for all Linux users
whatever their skill level and whatever their preferred distribution.


In the past MIT had Project Athena which acted as a focal point and
framework to get students involved in writing software and getting it
out into the world. It seems to me that MIT has, if you will, "gone
meta" on institutionally nurturing open source development. It's
kind of assumed that MIT students will write software if necessary as
part of some bigger world-changing activity.


Living in the trenches as I do, however, I am concerned that not
enough attention is going into identifying talented and interested
students, and giving them an entree into the process of getting their
ideas cooked up tested out and put into the world. Yes there are
exciting research projects where a community is formed and creative
stuff is done, but when the project is over, everybody goes home and
the lessons learned are published, not passed on.


Recognizing that I cannot get funding for a curriculum activity, and
I need to assure important bureaucrats that I am not endorsing a
product, or even putting MIT institutionally behind only one of many
possible worthy Linux endeavors, I think the Fedora Community is a
worthy framework.


What would I like to see from your program:

My goal is to help students interested in contributing to open source
to find out if Fedora is right for them, and if so to make it easy
for them to get involved, and to enlarge the MIT Linux talent pool.


Similarly to the position articulated by Jeff Spaleta, I need some
advice in doing the outreach. What kinds of outreach have been done
at other schools? What are the pieces to get this sort of thing
started? Most importantly, how can I show that it would be a
valuable thing to try with low risk to the bureaucrats?


Would I really get emails from students interested in participating
in Linux support and development if I did nothing more than poster
the campus?


-Bill

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On Jun 29, 2008, at 12:06 AM, Larry Cafiero wrote:


Hey All,

I appreciate all the enthusiasm, I know you guys are eager to
join, but I
was more curious in what you guys felt about the actual idea and
what you
would expect out of such a program? I want it to be different than
the

current ambassadors setup.

I know you guys have some bright ideas--let me hear them.

Thanks,
Jack


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Jeffrey Tadlock wrote:


Given that many of the responders to the thread are already Fedora
Ambassadors and ready to help, why do you want a different setup than
the current ambassadors? If the current isn't seen as working well -
then lets focus on fixing that so both ambassadors working on a
college campus and those of us working at open source conferences and
events can all benefit.

What do we gain by not working within the Ambassador framework for
this? I think this is a project that fits under the Ambassador group
quite nicely and would let us build on lessons already learned by that
group and also allow for lessons learned by ambassadors working on
college campuses to feed back into the ambassador group as well.

Regards,
Jeffrey


The main reasons for this working outside of ambassadors is that we are
going to have a different governance model around this and the goals
will be slightly different....


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On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Jack Aboutboul <jaa@redhat.com> wrote:
> The main reasons for this working outside of ambassadors is that we are
> going to have a different governance model around this and the goals will be
> slightly different....

I'm looking specifically to put students/faculty with academic project
requirements in touch with existing Fedora Project technical needs
that could make adequate use of term limited student manpower to get
something specific and well scoped done. If students as part of their
degrees need to work on a year or semester long project, I want Fedora
to be obvious place to look for compelling things to work on, with an
aim towards well scoped projects that have a good chance for long
lived utility. Ie, things we know we'd like to see people take a stab
a doing, and we would attempt then pick up and maintain once the
student completes their academic project time period. I hate seeing
good academic project die because there was no real plan to hand them
off outside of that academic group which incubated them. I think we
do better.

I frankly don't care under what group I have to work under to help
achieve that. If I can build these sorts of bridges under a Campus
specific outreach group which requires me to put in some "face time"
by giving a tech talk on a periodic basis.. so be it. Whatever makes
the most sense to get our foot in the door so we can start generating
sustainable student involvement.

-jef

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Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:13 AM, Jack Aboutboul <jaa@redhat.com> wrote:


The main reasons for this working outside of ambassadors is that we are
going to have a different governance model around this and the goals will be
slightly different....



I'm looking specifically to put students/faculty with academic project
requirements in touch with existing Fedora Project technical needs
that could make adequate use of term limited student manpower to get
something specific and well scoped done. If students as part of their
degrees need to work on a year or semester long project, I want Fedora
to be obvious place to look for compelling things to work on, with an
aim towards well scoped projects that have a good chance for long
lived utility. Ie, things we know we'd like to see people take a stab
a doing, and we would attempt then pick up and maintain once the
student completes their academic project time period. I hate seeing
good academic project die because there was no real plan to hand them
off outside of that academic group which incubated them. I think we
do better.


I absolutely agree and that is one of the aims of this, to link up
students with current Fedora contributors who may need/require help. I
have spoken to several institutions about this specific model and we
have done things like this in the past but nothing formally. I *really*
want to formalize this process as well and get some momentum around it.


Jack

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