2008/6/25 Markus McLaughlin <hudsonman35@gmail.com>:
> I remember Red Hat Linux all too well, I think it needed to go away for a
> while, but now that Vista isn't doing so well, it is time to revive RHL but
> have it sold to Small Businesses instead. So I will put out the Proposal on
> my Linux Blog and see if that need could be fulfilled. I am tired of seeing
> Target sell JUST Windows Vista or XP Software. Remember, I am not a
> Programmer, just a Concept Man. When I have an idea, I go with it, and
> see if it could be made, be it a film, tv show, or maybe even an Operating
> System! Never say never!

This really isn't the appropriate place for this. Fedora's community
marketing group isn't going to be marketing and sort of product that
is meant to be sold to small businesses or to anyone else for that
matter. If OEMs or some other business entity want to install Fedora
on retail computer systems and attempt to make a profitable business
doing it, they are welcome to attempt it. If Fedora as a project needs
to change to make that possible, I welcome any conversation with OEMs
on how to better include them in our contributor-base. But any
substantial effort to better accommodate these sort of business
endeavors will only be done when there are contributors who are
interested in doing the work.

-jef

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Sankarshan (সঙ�কর�ষণ) wrote:
To begin addressing this space, it would require a jot-down of what
tasks the Small Businesses expect to achieve using this OS, what
services they currently consume and desire replaced by a FOSS stack
and what applications are available that can meet their needs.
Exactly.

When dealing with small businesses, sometimes the direct approach isn't
always the most effective.

Small business owners have a lot going on and taking time for a new
anything is a big deal. We, as business owners [1], have to be
convinced that the investment in time and/or money will be well worth
it. Because we don't buy into something simply because it might do
wonderful things.

I work with many small businesses through SCORE [2] - an organization in
the USA to counsel small business owners. From start-up to growing
pains and beyond. (Best of all, it's free advice.)


I've begun pitching Open Source applications as a triage process knowing
that for some businesses, the introduction will come in small steps and
not always with an operating system. [3]


What would it mean to your business if you went with OOo instead of a
commercial office suite? Is that money you don't have to borrow? Money
you could put to use elsewhere?

To other businesses FOSS means websites that are "close enough" that
they only need to hire a tech for the finishing touches. (Knitting
components together in an OSCommerce shopping cart or tweaking Joomla
extensions etc)


~Karlie

[1] http://webpath.net/index.php?wiki=Staff
[2] http://SCORE.org or my chapter, http://scorerochester.org
[3] Example of how I plug FOSS in business -
http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=253123.0


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I belive that if a small business solution were to be made from Red Hat, it would have to be easy to switch from a server edition to a desktop edition. It would have to have all Open Office apps including all fonts and picture options (Things like word art and pic art). The desktop would also need to be very very close to windows. All options would have to be in the same position. All menus organised the same way. An idea might also be to have a school edition. I know I have had a couple schools run on Linux destros and I had to point them to Ed instead of Fedora because Edubuntu is made for schools. These are just my opinions and I have worked more with schools than small business as far as getting people to use Linux.


[Matt]^_^

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> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 20:58:27 -0400
> From: karlie_robinson@webpath.net
> To: fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!!
>
> Sankarshan (সঙ�কর�ষণ) wrote:
>> To begin addressing this space, it would require a jot-down of what
>> tasks the Small Businesses expect to achieve using this OS, what
>> services they currently consume and desire replaced by a FOSS stack
>> and what applications are available that can meet their needs.
> Exactly.
>
> When dealing with small businesses, sometimes the direct approach isn't
> always the most effective.
>
> Small business owners have a lot going on and taking time for a new
> anything is a big deal. We, as business owners [1], have to be
> convinced that the investment in time and/or money will be well worth
> it. Because we don't buy into something simply because it might do
> wonderful things.
>
> I work with many small businesses through SCORE [2] - an organization in
> the USA to counsel small business owners. From start-up to growing
> pains and beyond. (Best of all, it's free advice.)
>
> I've begun pitching Open Source applications as a triage process knowing
> that for some businesses, the introduction will come in small steps and
> not always with an operating system. [3]
>
> What would it mean to your business if you went with OOo instead of a
> commercial office suite? Is that money you don't have to borrow? Money
> you could put to use elsewhere?
>
> To other businesses FOSS means websites that are "close enough" that
> they only need to hire a tech for the finishing touches. (Knitting
> components together in an OSCommerce shopping cart or tweaking Joomla
> extensions etc)
>
> ~Karlie
>
> [1] http://webpath.net/index.php?wiki=Staff
> [2] http://SCORE.org or my chapter, http://scorerochester.org
> [3] Example of how I plug FOSS in business -
> http://www.craftster.org/forum/index.php?topic=253123.0
>
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Matt Strawder wrote:

I belive that if a small business solution were to be made from Red Hat, it would have to be easy to switch from a server edition to a desktop edition. It would have to have all Open Office apps including all fonts and picture options (Things like word art and pic art). The desktop would also need to be very very close to windows. All options would have to be in the same position. All menus organised the same way. An idea might also be to have a school edition. I know I have had a couple schools run on Linux destros and I had to point them to Ed instead of Fedora because Edubuntu is made for schools. These are just my opinions and I have worked more with schools than small business as far as getting people to use Linux.



Folks, this is really not the place to discuss Red Hat product
decisions. We don't really have any input on that process and it is
purely a internal product management decision. Unless the discussion is
really specific to marketing Fedora and how you can contribute, it does
not belong in this list.


Rahul

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What about making a Fedora for education. You could have 2 versions. An easy to use and learn version like the Suger OS found on the OLPC. And another that is closer to a windows desktop. It would be much cheaper for schools to upgrade to a free and open source OS and the community and help available would help a lot. I know I have spoken to a few schools who were very interested in an open source OS made for education uses.


[Matt]^_^

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> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:15:55 +0530
> From: sundaram@fedoraproject.org
> To: fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!!
>
> Matt Strawder wrote:
>> I belive that if a small business solution were to be made from Red Hat, it would have to be easy to switch from a server edition to a desktop edition. It would have to have all Open Office apps including all fonts and picture options (Things like word art and pic art). The desktop would also need to be very very close to windows. All options would have to be in the same position. All menus organised the same way. An idea might also be to have a school edition. I know I have had a couple schools run on Linux destros and I had to point them to Ed instead of Fedora because Edubuntu is made for schools. These are just my opinions and I have worked more with schools than small business as far as getting people to use Linux.
>>
>
> Folks, this is really not the place to discuss Red Hat product
> decisions. We don't really have any input on that process and it is
> purely a internal product management decision. Unless the discussion is
> really specific to marketing Fedora and how you can contribute, it does
> not belong in this list.
>
> Rahul
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Matt Strawder wrote:
What about making a Fedora for education. You could have 2 versions. An easy to use and learn version like the Suger OS found on the OLPC. And another that is closer to a windows desktop. It would be much cheaper for schools to upgrade to a free and open source OS and the community and help available would help a lot. I know I have spoken to a few schools who were very interested in an open source OS made for education uses.



[Matt]^_^


Refer

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Spin

Contact the SIG members if you wish to participate.

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I was unaware of a group already made. Thank you for telling me and thank you for dealing with my rant =P


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> Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:27:54 +0530
> From: sundaram@fedoraproject.org
> To: fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com
> Subject: Re: Small Businesses WILL need a Red Hat Linux suited for them!!!
>
> Matt Strawder wrote:
>> What about making a Fedora for education. You could have 2 versions. An easy to use and learn version like the Suger OS found on the OLPC. And another that is closer to a windows desktop. It would be much cheaper for schools to upgrade to a free and open source OS and the community and help available would help a lot. I know I have spoken to a few schools who were very interested in an open source OS made for education uses.
>>
>>
>> [Matt]^_^
>
> Refer
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Education/Spin
>
> Contact the SIG members if you wish to participate.
>
> Rahul
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Markus McLaughlin wrote:
I remember Red Hat Linux all too well, I think it needed to go away for
a while, but now that Vista isn't doing so well, it is time to revive
RHL but have it sold to Small Businesses instead.


Have you considered recommending CentOS?

-Jeroen

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Server end use RHEL for most
of my clients. Desktop wise, we have a mixed env - some uses Fedora
Core, some MacOSX and Some WinXP (we are trying to move them to Fedora
else Mac instaed.)

Best Regards,
Jason
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Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
Markus
McLaughlin wrote:


I remember Red Hat Linux all too well, I
think it needed to go away for a while, but now that Vista isn't doing
so well, it is time to revive RHL but have it sold to Small Businesses
instead.





Have you considered recommending CentOS?




-Jeroen







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