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"Marc Mondragon" 06-20-2008 08:45 PM

Care to comment on the future of "Spacewalk" and cobbler?
 
Just saw the announcement and was wondering what was in
store for cobbler …


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Slinky 06-21-2008 02:15 PM

Care to comment on the future of "Spacewalk" and cobbler?
 
AHAHAHA!!!

"There's some more stuff we can do for other distributions. There's
that OS from Redmond, right — it's an unfortunate reality that it
exists, but we can help people deploy it, up until the point they wipe
it completely off the face of the Earth."



2008/6/21 Michael DeHaan <mdehaan@redhat.com>:

Marc Mondragon wrote:




Just saw the announcement and was wondering what was in store for cobbler …



Marc Mondragon



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Sure :)



Hotel internet has been slow, so apologies on being invisible over the last few days on the lists/IRC.



Random note: You can see the Register picked up the Cobbler talk here... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06/19/red_hat_summit_2008_cobbler/




They are correct in saying that what we're doing with Cobbler, the libvirt tools, Func, and so forth were a major factor in making the decision to open source Satellite. This community *works*. Getting Satellite out there is clearly something we all wanted to do for a long time, and now that it's done, we're /really/ happy to see the excitement growing around it. We've shown we can build a sizable community around developers and admins who want to share and participate in developing common infrastructure. We've shown that the open development models started in Fedora are extremely applicable in the enterprise space (see also EPEL). With Spacewalk, this can grow further. Spacewalk is essentially going to be an aggregrator of all sorts of great OSS management projects in Fedora/EPEL -- we want it to become an interface to make all of these more usable together. Step 1 is Cobbler, Step 2 might be config management, it might be something else ... we're still exploring.




I was sitting around at FudCON today with lots of folks, many Satellite users, some not, discussing the future of the project. There's a ton of interest here and it's going to be a good thing. There's already folks interested in diving in there and helping with database support, for instance. People on IRC are already looking at the code and talking about sending in patches. Very good stuff.




Cobbler inclusion in Satellite/Spacewalk is definitely in the roadmap, and as I mentioned in my talk (slides up now -- https://fedorahosted.org/cobbler/wiki/PresentationStorage ) we're shooting for early 2009 for having that there. If you want support for Cobbler you'll be able to get that (AFAIK) through purchasing Satellite. In addition, the Satellite GUI's provisioning options, since they will be all Cobbler powered, will work to control cobbler -- so you'll have additional GUI options. Cobbler command line programs will still work as normal in this case too, as will koan. Also if you're an existing Satellite user we want the upgrade process to be transparent. I suspect we won't surface every Cobbler knob and fader in the Spacewalk GUI, though you'll still be able to manipulate cobbler directly in those cases. As myself and the Sat folks have to do some more planning, this is somewhat subject to change. I'll start a thread up on spacewalk-devel shortly. If you're interested, definitely join the mailing lists mentioned at fedorahosted.org/spacewalk and #spacewalk on freenode. Development/planning is going to happen in the open there just like it does here, so if there's something you'd like to see in Spacewalk, please weigh in!




So, what about stand alone Cobbler? Cobbler as a project will be continuing on as usual and continuing it's quest for dominance :) You won't need to install Spacewalk to use it, as there are other applications (ovirt, possibly test tools, etc) that will want to have a provisioning service component -- Cobbler is going to be that component. Does it go away? No. Does it become harder to use? No. More dependencies? Also no :) It's all good!




I suspect there will be a few Cobbler RFE's and changes needed to make Satellite support work (maybe a few more XMLRPC methods?), but I don't see any major roadmap changes.



>From Summit conversations so far there seems to be a lot of interest in image management and the power stuff (we may spawn a seperate FedoraHosted project for the power bits), so that's definitely on my shortlist. And that means Satellite/Spacewalk can then acquire those features too.




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