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Old 09-06-2012, 06:57 PM
Kevin Fenzi
Default Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-09-06)

#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-09-06)

Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:06 UTC. The full logs are available at

Meeting summary
* whats up! (nirik, 18:00:07)

* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks. (nirik, 18:04:36)

* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:14:44)

* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:17:01)

* F18 Alpha Release tickets/Freeze (nirik, 18:24:36)

* Private Cloud status update (nirik, 18:25:07)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud
(nirik, 18:25:19)

* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 18:27:10)
* 2012-08-14 to 2012-09-11 F18 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 18:27:42)
* 2012-09-07 drop inactive fi-apprentices (nirik, 18:27:43)
* 2012-09-11 F18 Alpha release. (nirik, 18:27:43)
* 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out (nirik, 18:27:43)
* 2012-10-02 to 2012-10-16 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:27:43)
* 2012-10-16 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:27:43)
* 2012-10-30 to 2012-11-20 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 18:27:45)
* 2012-11-20 F18 release. (nirik, 18:27:47)
* 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD (nirik, 18:27:49)
* 2012-11-20 Next Fiscal Year Budget needs to be done (smooge,
* LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013 (nirik,

* Open Floor (nirik, 18:44:44)

Meeting ended at 18:56:23 UTC.

Action Items

Action Items, by person
* (none)

People Present (lines said)
* nirik (99)
* skvidal (39)
* _love_hurts_ (33)
* smooge (17)
* dgilmore (17)
* abadger1999 (15)
* kilted1 (9)
* puiterwijk (4)
* zodbot (4)
* CodeBlock_ (4)
* akshaysth_ (3)
* MadBus (2)
* Ramesh (1)
* threebean (1)
* LoKoMurdoK (1)
* Spack (1)
* lmacken (0)
* ricky (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
18:00:06 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-09-06)
18:00:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 6 18:00:06 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:00:06 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
18:00:07 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:07 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:07 <nirik> #topic whats up!
18:00:07 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
18:00:07 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean
18:00:15 * skvidal is here
18:00:15 <smooge> here on time
18:00:20 * _love_hurts_ here
18:00:28 * abadger1999 here
18:00:30 * akshaysth_ here
18:00:40 * Spack here
18:01:38 * puiterwijk here for the moment
18:01:54 * CodeBlock_ here ish.
18:02:24 * nirik will wait another min and then start in
18:04:34 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead then.
18:04:36 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks.
18:04:42 <_love_hurts_> !
18:04:48 <nirik> any new folks want to say hi, or chime in with questions?
18:04:53 <nirik> go ahead _love_hurts_
18:04:55 <_love_hurts_> hello team! I am vipin
18:05:09 <_love_hurts_> I'm from india
18:05:27 <kilted1> Hi I would also like to join in the fun.
18:05:37 <_love_hurts_> IIT-BHU B.tech, 3 yrs experince as a Research Engineer in C-DOT india
18:05:53 <nirik> welcome _love_hurts_, kilted1.
18:05:57 <MadBus> hi there
18:05:58 <_love_hurts_> currently I'm working on Ticket 1084
18:06:07 <_love_hurts_> thanks
18:06:11 <MadBus> <- me isn't new, but just being welcoming ;-)
18:06:12 <akshaysth_> Hello everyone! My name is Akshay Suthar. I'm a Network Systems Engineer by day and novice C/C++ with Qt & Android developer. I'm based out of Toronto, Canada. I've been using fedora since FC2. I'm hoping to assist with the sysadmin side and possibly look to learning & assisting with python development.
18:06:33 <dgilmore> hey
18:06:38 <akshaysth_> sorry for the large intro :P
18:06:39 <kilted1> My name is Scott Suehle, Currently I am a SDE at the mothership
18:06:58 <kilted1> I am interested in SA, NOC and learning packaging
18:07:15 <nirik> cool. Lots of new folks today.
18:08:12 <nirik> some good links to get started with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Apprentice and http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/
18:09:22 <nirik> so, do chime in with questions or comments and see me after the meeting and I can try and point you at things to look into.
18:09:33 <kilted1> sounds good
18:09:33 <nirik> any other new folks? or questions from any of you right now?
18:10:07 <_love_hurts_> !
18:10:30 <_love_hurts_> so I'm will be working on Ticket 1084
18:10:43 <_love_hurts_> is Mahrud too?
18:10:52 <_love_hurts_> I will*
18:11:00 <nirik> _love_hurts_: yeah, sounds like Mahrud had some info or work on it.
18:11:10 <_love_hurts_> ok
18:11:13 <nirik> I'd suggest if you can to meet up and see if you can both work on it.
18:11:27 <_love_hurts_> I had discussion with him
18:11:35 <_love_hurts_> today morning my timings
18:12:06 <_love_hurts_> and I have come up with a tiny step forward
18:12:20 <nirik> excellent
18:12:36 <_love_hurts_> a little bit change in Infrastructure/Architecture layout
18:12:52 <_love_hurts_> I would ask for improvements
18:12:58 <nirik> so, I would suggest making a new page that you could use for drafting out the new version...
18:13:12 <_love_hurts_> yes
18:13:42 <_love_hurts_> and I guess it will better if we discuss technical things in wiki talk page
18:13:58 <nirik> yeah, thats another place for feedback.
18:13:59 * nirik nods.
18:14:06 <nirik> ok, shall we move on then to the next topic?
18:14:12 <_love_hurts_> sure
18:14:44 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:15:00 <nirik> ok, any apps news this week? abadger1999 / threebean / pingou / anyone else I forgot?
18:15:22 <abadger1999> nope. slow week on that front.
18:15:35 <abadger1999> talked about some additional feature requests for elections
18:15:47 <abadger1999> (thumbnail support)
18:16:11 <puiterwijk> nirik: maybe the git repo hook? or is that more sysadmin stuff?
18:16:27 <nirik> puiterwijk: I think thats more sysadmin side.
18:16:51 <puiterwijk> nirik: ok
18:16:51 <nirik> lmacken is also out this week.
18:17:01 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:17:07 <skvidal> clouds!
18:17:08 <skvidal> clouds!
18:17:08 <nirik>
18:17:09 <skvidal> clouds!
18:17:10 <CodeBlock_> I will be deploying FAS to staging by the end of the week, and finally emailing trans@ so they can start
18:17:12 <skvidal> and reinstalling!
18:17:13 <skvidal> and clouds!
18:17:15 * CodeBlock_ late as usual
18:17:59 <nirik> yeah, lots of testing and reinstalling cloud instances.
18:18:04 <puiterwijk> last week, I have been busy on developing a git hook to reject binary blobs from the git repositories
18:18:04 <smooge> I have been hating java. java java
18:18:17 <smooge> working on budgets for next year and getting new boxes installed.
18:18:36 <smooge> puiterwijk, cool
18:18:43 <Ramesh> Hello everyone
18:18:45 <nirik> we are going to setup 2 cloudlets. One will probibly run eucalyptus and the other openstack. But it's all still up in the air until we finish testing things out.
18:19:09 <smooge> I forsee one running eucalyptus
18:19:23 <skvidal> one IS running eucalyptus and one IS running openstack at the moment
18:19:25 <smooge> hello Ramesh
18:19:42 <skvidal> we did a bunch of fun fun fun breaking of cloud software this week
18:19:44 <skvidal> it's a good time
18:19:48 <smooge> and hardware
18:19:51 <skvidal> true
18:19:52 <skvidal> and java
18:19:55 <skvidal> we broke java, too
18:19:59 <nirik> we are still in freeze also, so until alpha comes out, other changes are smallish.
18:20:02 <smooge> I hatez it.. the javaits
18:20:52 <abadger1999> nirik, puiterwijk: I saw the fesco meeting discussion about the binary blobs stuff -- are we ever going to be able to fix the mono repo? Or is that doomed to always be ginormous?
18:21:07 <nirik> abadger1999: it sounded like fesco didn't want to re-write history
18:21:22 <nirik> so, I fear it's going to stay gigantic. ;(
18:22:41 <abadger1999> <nod> Well -- I guess we'll revisit if the mono sig/maintainers complain.
18:22:54 <nirik> oh, puiterwijk's script to sync ssh keys to openshift is working now... so everyone in sysadmin-noc or sysadmin-main should be able to update our status.fedoraproject.org instance. See infra docs for process.
18:23:11 <abadger1999> Nice work puiterwijk!
18:24:27 <nirik> ok, I guess lets move along.
18:24:36 <nirik> #topic F18 Alpha Release tickets/Freeze
18:24:43 <nirik> we are still in freeze, no alpha yet.
18:24:56 <nirik> the next go/no-go is after this meeting.
18:25:07 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud status update
18:25:12 <nirik> Touched on this above...
18:25:19 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud
18:25:27 <nirik> I've been trying to keep that page somewhat up to date.
18:25:31 <smooge> It looks intersting. I like the Euca side.. I am not sure about the openstack side yet
18:25:50 <nirik> Hopefully in the next few weeks we will open things up for more people to start testing on things... firing up instances, etc.
18:25:52 * threebean sneaks in late..
18:27:10 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
18:27:42 <nirik> #info 2012-08-14 to 2012-09-11 F18 Alpha Freeze
18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-09-07 drop inactive fi-apprentices
18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-09-11 F18 Alpha release.
18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out
18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-10-02 to 2012-10-16 F18 Beta Freeze
18:27:43 <nirik> #info 2012-10-16 F18 Beta release
18:27:45 <nirik> #info 2012-10-30 to 2012-11-20 F18 Final Freeze
18:27:47 <nirik> #info 2012-11-20 F18 release.
18:27:49 <nirik> #info 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD
18:27:55 * skvidal does the vacation dance
18:27:55 <nirik> This is what I have on my upcoming list.
18:28:04 <smooge> #info 2012-11-20 Next Fiscal Year Budget needs to be done
18:28:20 <nirik> as noted skvidal will be out starting next week. So, if you need him please corner him before then.
18:28:42 <nirik> smooge: good to know. I'll add it... and I have some things I want to put on it...
18:29:08 <nirik> and finally, our FAD...
18:29:19 <dgilmore> nirik: when is it again?
18:29:22 <nirik> If alpha slips another week today (as it will)
18:29:39 <nirik> then we are in release week for our scheduled dates.
18:29:45 <nirik> which is... not good.
18:29:46 <dgilmore>
18:29:58 <nirik> So, we can push out the fad again, but then it goes into december.
18:30:07 <nirik> and I know people don't like to travel in december
18:30:16 <abadger1999> nirik: Let someone else manage release; what can go wrong? ;-)
18:30:31 <nirik> abadger1999: well, I'm actually not worried about the release too much.
18:30:35 <nirik> we have that down pretty well now.
18:30:36 <dgilmore> nirik: im going back to australia in november
18:31:07 <nirik> The bigger problem is that we will be frozen... and doing sweeping auth changes will be... difficult without disrupting things.
18:31:18 <abadger1999> <nod>
18:31:21 <nirik> dgilmore: cool.
18:31:39 <nirik> so, my new proposal: See if we can all go to Fudcon 3 days early...
18:31:48 <nirik> and get the fad done before fudcon.
18:31:50 <nirik> thoughts?
18:31:51 <skvidal> when is fudcon, again?
18:32:07 <skvidal> and _where_ is it, again?
18:32:11 <nirik> January 18–20, 2013
18:32:16 <nirik> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon:Lawrence_2013
18:32:17 <kilted1> laurence ks
18:32:18 <skvidal> kansas
18:32:27 <skvidal> so we'd be gone for a week...
18:32:32 <skvidal> to kansas
18:32:37 <nirik> thrills!
18:32:44 <kilted1> chills
18:33:09 * abadger1999 will bring his x-country skis
18:33:20 * skvidal will bring extra supplies of 'will to live'
18:33:37 <skvidal> b/c I'm sure after 6 days that will be running AWFULLY short
18:33:47 <smooge> I think we are going to have to do it at the fudcon
18:34:27 <smooge> skvidal, its called single malt scotch on the 6th day
18:34:53 <nirik> I suppose it's possible we slip 3 more weeks and then our current proposed dates are before final freeze.
18:34:55 <dgilmore> skvidal: kanas will be no different to here
18:35:06 * dgilmore will likely drive to kansas
18:35:12 <skvidal> dgilmore: yes, but it will be different from _here_
18:35:41 <nirik> anyhow, I can float it on the list and ask for feedback? or what do folks want to do?
18:36:07 <skvidal> I think we should change the freeze rules
18:36:09 * dgilmore is ok with december travel. but im ok with extra time at fudcon also
18:36:21 <skvidal> so we can do it
18:36:39 <nirik> well, the rules wouldn't be the problem actually, just the 'don't blow things up right before release'
18:37:15 <skvidal> nirik: which is the point... For all intents in purposes we can do the 2fa stuff w/o modifying most systems
18:37:19 <nirik> but we could slip more I suppose, which makes it less release weekly
18:37:33 <skvidal> for example - only deploy pam-url, etc on lockbox only
18:37:39 <skvidal> (one less only there)
18:37:57 <skvidal> <shrug>
18:38:06 <nirik> I suppose, it just makes it more difficult. If folks thing we can make it work during freeze we could forge ahead with the current dates.
18:38:18 <nirik> dgilmore: you be back from au by then?
18:38:18 <skvidal> after 3 days of fudcon I am normally drilled, 6 days is going to be difficult
18:38:49 * skvidal is clearly old and stuff
18:38:52 <CodeBlock_> pre-fudcon would be better for me personally, less school to miss.
18:39:02 <dgilmore> nirik: ill likely be back on nov 28,
18:40:05 <nirik> ok, let me ponder on it and see... if we can make it work with the end of nov dates, I think that might be better...
18:40:12 * LoKoMurdoK here very late
18:40:29 * abadger1999 can do pre-fudcon or the current dates
18:40:44 <kilted1> where will the FAD be if it is not coinciding with Fudcon?
18:40:55 <nirik> kilted1: we are hoping to do it in Raleigh...
18:41:01 * kilted1 nods
18:41:15 <nirik> we can hopefully get some space at the lovely Red Hat tower to meet.
18:41:15 <kilted1> cool
18:42:03 <abadger1999> nirik: What about moving to pre-Thanksgiving week in Raleigh?
18:42:19 <abadger1999> or is that still in freeze?
18:42:37 <nirik> that would be out (with the extra slip today)
18:42:50 <nirik> I think we ruled it out before because it was release week a while back.
18:43:03 <dgilmore> abadger1999: I cant make that. but that shouldnt stop things
18:43:20 <abadger1999> k and it's worse for codeblock too.
18:43:22 <smooge> Well another issue will be getting rooms in raleigh around thanksgiving
18:43:39 <abadger1999> nirik: the colution to that is to slip two weeks :-)
18:43:45 <smooge> would ahve to look at crashing in skvidals bike shed
18:43:57 <nirik> smooge: I think after it should be ok...
18:44:02 * skvidal has 1bathroom. no guests, kthx
18:44:36 <nirik> anyhow, I'll look at it and see. Lets tenatively keep planning for same dates... but don't book yet.
18:44:42 <smooge> this release looks like one of those slips til Fudcon ones..
18:44:44 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:44:55 <nirik> anyone have items for open floor? questions? comments? ideas?
18:46:36 <smooge> not i
18:46:50 <_love_hurts_> !
18:47:21 <nirik> _love_hurts_: go ahead.
18:47:28 <_love_hurts_> can we use something like google map for showing our servers in Infrastructure/Architecture page?
18:47:33 <nirik> we don't usually bother with the meeting protocol, we are kinda informal.
18:47:45 <_love_hurts_> so we can change dynamically location
18:47:55 <nirik> well, two issues with that:
18:48:20 <nirik> a) we in general don't want to depend on or use non free services. (Free as in open source available).
18:48:38 <nirik> b) in some cases datacenters do not wish to advertise where they are located exactly.
18:48:40 * skvidal wonders why we need to know where the servers are physically down to the long/lat
18:48:58 <_love_hurts_> I mean something similar to that which we can use?
18:49:17 <skvidal> _love_hurts_: what does it get us - to know the long/lat of our systems/colos?
18:49:36 <_love_hurts_> I guess it will be easy to change location dymanically
18:49:42 <_love_hurts_> no need to replace Image
18:50:04 <_love_hurts_> and user can zoom in and see in detail
18:50:09 <skvidal> okay
18:50:10 <skvidal> but again
18:50:14 <skvidal> what does that GET us?
18:50:22 <skvidal> how does it benefit us?
18:50:34 <_love_hurts_> just an Idea
18:50:42 <_love_hurts_> i was asking about it
18:50:43 <skvidal> I have no issue with the idea
18:50:48 <skvidal> I just want to know what the benefits are
18:50:55 <nirik> It may be useful to know where things are Network wise... ie, what backbones they peer with, etc.
18:50:57 <dgilmore> skvidal: i agree
18:51:04 <nirik> but I don't know of a mapping setup that does that.
18:51:37 <dgilmore> nirik: to me thats far more useful than where things are physically
18:51:52 <dgilmore> i.e. a network map not a physical map
18:52:06 <skvidal> dgilmore: agreed - knowing the network-logical location is a plus
18:53:02 <nirik> broad geolocation is also useful to see what regions we point to that server...
18:53:14 <nirik> but that needs just "North America" or "Europe"
18:53:16 <smooge> _love_hurts_, one issue is that other than 3 sets of systems.. we have NO idea where some of our systems are physicall
18:53:25 <_love_hurts_> main benefits I see are dynamic tagging and detailed view
18:53:49 <dgilmore> _love_hurts_: dynamic tagging?
18:54:14 <dgilmore> i guess i dont understand the problem your trying to solve
18:54:22 <_love_hurts_> yeah...in case we get more server anywhere in the world we just have to do one more tagging
18:54:44 <dgilmore> _love_hurts_: sorry that means nothing to me
18:54:59 <_love_hurts_> like I can tag my Home in google map
18:55:01 <dgilmore> what tagging?
18:55:27 <dgilmore> _love_hurts_: what is the problem your trying to solve?
18:55:28 <_love_hurts_> in case I change my home I can tag to newer place
18:55:59 <nirik> lets clear the room for the next meeting and continue over in #fedora-admin
18:56:09 <nirik> unless there's any more last minute things?
18:56:21 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone!
18:56:23 <nirik> #endmeeting
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