Summary/Minutes from today's Fedora Infrastructure meeting (2012-08-30)
#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2012-08-30)
Meeting started by nirik at 18:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at
* Howdy! (nirik, 18:00:01)
* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 18:03:26)
* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 18:07:40)
* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 18:17:53)
* we have been seeing an odd httpd crash on app servers of late.
* ongoing problem with log02 and it's host, sometimes requiring
reboot. (nirik, 18:19:15)
* skvidal has been working on cloud stuff (nirik, 18:19:55)
* will be announcing status.fedoraproject.org... I have a draft
announcement in gobby, corrections/editing welcome (nirik,
* Private Cloud policies and status (nirik, 18:22:19)
* Upcoming items (nirik, 18:23:16)
* 2012-08-14 to 2012-09-04 F18 Alpha Freeze (nirik, 18:24:46)
* 2012-08-31 end of 2nd quarter (nirik, 18:24:46)
* 2012-09-04 F18 Alpha release. (nirik, 18:24:47)
* 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out (nirik, 18:24:47)
* 2012-09-25 to 2012-10-09 F18 Beta Freeze (nirik, 18:24:47)
* 2012-10-09 F18 Beta release (nirik, 18:24:47)
* 2012-10-23 to 2012-11-13 F18 Final Freeze (nirik, 18:24:49)
* 2012-11-13 F18 release. (nirik, 18:24:51)
* 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD (nirik, 18:24:53)
* 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter (nirik, 18:24:55)
* Open Floor (nirik, 18:31:13)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3456
Meeting ended at 18:37:03 UTC.
Action Items, by person
People Present (lines said)
* nirik (88)
* threebean (16)
* abadger1999 (13)
* smooge (10)
* lmacken (6)
* Spack (6)
* zodbot (4)
* tflink (1)
* ricky (0)
* mdomsch (0)
* skvidal (0)
* dgilmore (0)
* CodeBlock (0)
18:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2012-08-30)
18:00:00 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 30 18:00:00 2012 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
18:00:01 <nirik> #topic Howdy!
18:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal CodeBlock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean
18:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
18:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: CodeBlock abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik ricky skvidal smooge threebean
18:00:08 <nirik> who all is around?
18:00:11 * lmacken
18:01:17 * threebean too
18:01:32 * tflink is around
18:02:04 * Spack
18:03:16 <nirik> ok, lets go ahead and dive in then...
18:03:26 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks
18:03:43 <nirik> Any new folks want to introduce themselves? or apprentices want to ask questions or note anything?
18:04:51 <Spack> Hello
18:04:59 * abadger1999 here too
18:05:01 <nirik> hey Spack.
18:05:14 <Spack> I'm arround since the begining of the week
18:05:16 <nirik> you interested in contributing to Infrastructure?
18:05:54 <Spack> yeah, i'm in discovering mode and i would like to help if any
18:06:24 <Spack> i leave in Belgium and i work as sysadmin
18:06:27 <nirik> excellent.
18:06:43 <nirik> I can point you to some docs after the meeting... happy to answer questions as we go along too...
18:06:46 <nirik> and welcome. ;)
18:06:54 <Spack> thanks
18:07:30 <nirik> ok, shall we move on then...
18:07:40 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion
18:07:49 <nirik> any applications news this week or upcoming?
18:08:18 <abadger1999> Been working on the elections rewrite this week.
18:08:19 <lmacken> nothing too exciting... making openhw2012 into a static app today
18:08:38 <abadger1999> flask is proving to be very accessible to newcomers.
18:08:39 <nirik> abadger1999: cool. any gotchas?
18:08:49 <nirik> lmacken: sounds good. let me know if I can assist any with it.
18:08:59 <abadger1999> easy to learn so it's pretty nice.
18:09:24 <lmacken> nirik: I'm not sure how to go from fedora-web git -> production
18:09:31 <abadger1999> I'm going to see if we an get this ready in time for post-F18 elections but I think we may just miss htat deadline.
18:09:49 <nirik> lmacken: it should generate on bapp02... then proxies pull/rsync the content from there.
18:09:51 <abadger1999> The todo list is pretty long and includes migrating the old data over.
18:10:01 <nirik> but it will need config changes to redirect it right I think.
18:10:16 <nirik> abadger1999: ok.
18:10:37 <lmacken> nirik: ah, yep. so it'll require a change request after all.
18:10:45 <nirik> probibly so.
18:11:10 <nirik> ok, any other app news?
18:11:12 <threebean> datanommer is on the way.. just gotta talk it over with ianweller this afternoon before we can start poking Infra.
18:11:32 <threebean> I'll need a DB for it.. and I'm not sure how to do that in our environment.
18:11:32 <nirik> cool. landing in staging then before too long?
18:11:44 <abadger1999> threebean: does that mean we can decommission the old fedoracommunity soon? Or is this just the bare bones?
18:11:57 <threebean> abadger1999: just bare bones/backend.
18:12:00 <abadger1999> k
18:12:03 * nirik would jump for joy to get rid of app07. ;(
18:12:05 <threebean> abadger1999: we'd still have to write front-end querying stuff.
18:12:51 <threebean> any leads on how to create a new db? or... after the meeting?
18:12:54 <smooge> abadger1999, anything I can help with the rewrite? testing, review? learning new pain
18:13:12 <nirik> threebean: I can assist with that.
18:13:18 <nirik> in stg it's all on db02.stg...
18:13:43 <abadger1999> smooge: If you want to -- I just forked ianweller's tree and started hacking: https://github.com/abadger/fedora-elections-flask
18:13:46 <threebean> nirik: cool, thanks. I'll need to do it again in a few weeks for tahrir/openbadges.
18:13:52 <abadger1999> smooge: There's a TODO file in there.
18:14:09 <smooge> ok thanks
18:14:43 <threebean> in other news, packages01.dev is up and running from a git repo for fchiulli. http://packages01.dev.fedoraproject.org/packages
18:15:23 <nirik> cool.
18:15:28 <abadger1999> smooge: Some self contained items would be: (code): write a conversion script for old data to the new data. (packaging): rpmify the new elections and the fas-flask package (html/designer): give the templates a fedora theme -- probably can base them off the current elections or raffle code.
18:17:19 <nirik> ok... any other apps/devel news?
18:17:22 <nirik> or shall we move on
18:17:53 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion
18:18:04 <nirik> so, busy as always... a few things to note:
18:18:17 <nirik> #info we have been seeing an odd httpd crash on app servers of late.
18:18:31 <nirik> it would be nice to track it down, but it's sporadic and hard to pinpoint.
18:19:15 <nirik> #info ongoing problem with log02 and it's host, sometimes requiring reboot.
18:19:40 <nirik> there's a bug on this one, had a bit of activity recently.
18:19:55 <nirik> #info skvidal has been working on cloud stuff
18:20:12 <nirik> We have a test euca cloud up and running... we have been poking around with the config and kicking the tires.
18:20:42 <nirik> I've been updating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_private_cloud with use cases and some policy draft ideas.
18:21:05 <nirik> Any other sysadmin tasks or upcoming items folks would like to note?
18:21:08 <nirik> Oh, one more:
18:21:27 <nirik> #info will be announcing status.fedoraproject.org... I have a draft announcement in gobby, corrections/editing welcome
18:22:19 <nirik> #topic Private Cloud policies and status
18:22:38 <nirik> mentioned this... there is a discussion on list about policies and such... do chime in.
18:23:16 <nirik> #topic Upcoming items
18:23:27 <threebean> Hmm, a question -> I mentioned status.fp.o in a blog post.. should I have waited until after the announcement?
18:23:37 <nirik> threebean: naw, thats fine.
18:23:41 <threebean> cool
18:24:36 <nirik> upcoming I have:
18:24:46 <nirik> #info 2012-08-14 to 2012-09-04 F18 Alpha Freeze
18:24:46 <nirik> #info 2012-08-31 end of 2nd quarter
18:24:47 <nirik> #info 2012-09-04 F18 Alpha release.
18:24:47 <nirik> #info 2012-09-10 to 2012-09-24 Skvidal is out
18:24:47 <nirik> #info 2012-09-25 to 2012-10-09 F18 Beta Freeze
18:24:47 <nirik> #info 2012-10-09 F18 Beta release
18:24:49 <nirik> #info 2012-10-23 to 2012-11-13 F18 Final Freeze
18:24:51 <nirik> #info 2012-11-13 F18 release.
18:24:53 <nirik> #info 2012-11-26 to 2012-11-29 Security FAD
18:24:55 <nirik> #info 2012-11-30 end of 3nd quarter
18:25:01 <nirik> Note that we likely will slip another week, so everything moves out a week due to that.
18:25:04 <nirik> and we might slip more.
18:25:12 <nirik> so, not sure what we want to do about the Security FAD.
18:25:23 <nirik> I guess wait and see a bit if we need to reschedule.
18:25:45 <threebean> oh wow.. I haven't been following the go/no-go meetings. Is it something that more hands would help with?
18:25:48 <nirik> if we do need to change it, probibly next would be just having folks come in a few days early before fudcon
18:26:18 <nirik> well, it's mostly been installer issues. :( But things are looking better than they have been today...
18:26:41 <abadger1999> skvidal on vacation might be good to add.
18:26:41 <threebean> mm, ok.
18:26:49 <nirik> abadger1999: it's there. ;)
18:27:08 <threebean> nirik: oh, I think lmacken's out next week too.
18:27:14 <nirik> Also, I might be doing some traveling mid sept as well... but I should be working from the road mostly, so it shouldn't really affect too much
18:27:19 <abadger1999> oh I guess my brain didn't recognize him with a capital "S" :-)
18:27:30 <lmacken> threebean: indeed
18:27:31 <nirik> threebean: oh yeah.
18:27:41 <lmacken> my hotel is 10 minutes away from nirik :P
18:27:50 <nirik> yep. ;)
18:28:09 <threebean> :)
18:28:34 <nirik> so, if we slip just one more week... the fad will be the week after release and should be fine. If we slip more than 1 week, it will be release week, or pre release, which will not be
18:29:10 <nirik> so, we will see I guess.
18:29:12 <smooge> nirik, well if we slip the security fad any more we might as well do it at Fudcon
18:29:26 <nirik> smooge: yeah, that was my thought too... although before fudcon.
18:29:40 <smooge> well all funds for 4th quarter pretty much go to fudcon
18:29:40 <nirik> have everyone come in 2-3 days before.
18:30:00 <nirik> yeah.
18:30:22 <smooge> but doing it before hand at fudcon might still be possible.
18:30:36 <nirik> I think we might be able to get fad money to help for those days...
18:30:40 <nirik> but we can see.
18:31:13 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
18:31:19 <nirik> ok, anyone have items for open floor?
18:31:38 <nirik> oh, there was a request to change our wiki url scheme...
18:31:49 <threebean> -1
18:31:54 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/3456
18:32:19 <threebean> er.. just seems unnecessary and would introduce issues.
18:32:25 <nirik> yeah, if we were setting it up from scratch I wouldn't care... but it doesn't seem to have any gain for the redirect and hassle pain.
18:33:29 <nirik> anything else from anyone?
18:33:30 <smooge> actually I would say it isn't our call.
18:33:37 <nirik> smooge: oh?
18:34:09 <smooge> the webteams and websites would seem a better place to say they would like it or not.
18:34:35 <nirik> yeah, although they are kinda a subset of us...
18:34:42 <smooge> oh I thought they were different
18:34:43 <nirik> I just don't see the gain.
18:34:54 <smooge> I don't either.. it would also break probably a lot of authentication
18:35:19 <smooge> or maybe not..
18:35:40 <nirik> we would have to maintain redirects.
18:35:48 <nirik> and really, I dont want anymore of those...
18:36:43 <nirik> ok, let me light the fuse then...
18:36:52 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone!
18:37:03 <nirik> #endmeeting
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