#fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2011-09-08)
Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:00 UTC. The full logs are available at
* Robot Roll Call (nirik, 19:00:01)
* New folks introductions and apprentice tasks/feedback (nirik,
* Upcoming new machine plans (nirik, 19:11:20)
* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:17:15)
* In Progress RFRs (nirik, 19:19:43)
* Open Floor (nirik, 19:26:44)
Meeting ended at 19:38:58 UTC.
Action Items, by person
People Present (lines said)
* nirik (67)
* skvidal (32)
* smooge (25)
* abadger1999 (14)
* LoKoMurdoK (8)
* pingou (6)
* zodbot (5)
* dgilmore (5)
* StylusEater (3)
* lmacken (2)
* CodeBlock (2)
* athmane (1)
* pingou_ (1)
* Southern_Gentlem (1)
* rfelsburg (1)
* ricky (0)
* codeblock (0)
19:00:00 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2011-09-08)
19:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 8 19:00:00 2011 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure
19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure'
19:00:01 <nirik> #topic Robot Roll Call
19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge skvidal codeblock ricky nirik abadger1999 lmacken
19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 codeblock lmacken nirik ricky skvidal smooge
19:00:26 <pingou> .fas pingou
19:00:26 <zodbot> pingou: pingou 'Pierre-YvesChibon' <firstname.lastname@example.org>
19:00:30 * StylusEater is here
19:00:31 <nirik> who all's around for a infra meeting?
19:00:31 * lmacken
19:00:45 * athmane is here
19:00:51 * pingou has a lazy connection today
19:01:36 * rfelsburg here
19:01:43 <nirik> hello everyone.
19:02:07 * abadger1999 here
19:02:09 * skvidal is here
19:02:19 <nirik> I guess lets go ahead and dive on in.
19:02:26 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and apprentice tasks/feedback
19:02:43 <nirik> any new folks want to say hi, or apprentices want to talk about any tickets or issues?
19:02:56 <LoKoMurdoK> is here
19:03:37 <nirik> I'll note that I have gotten 2 replies to my apprentice ping email from the 2nd... if you are an apprentice and want to remain in the group, please reply to the email before tomorrow.
19:04:14 <smooge> here
19:04:16 <abadger1999> How are we doing at getting people moved from apprentice into other groups?
19:04:38 <nirik> abadger1999: so so.
A few have done so... moved into noc or other groups.
19:05:11 <abadger1999> <nod>
19:05:27 <LoKoMurdoK> how long it remains in fi-apprentice
19:05:41 <nirik> I think the only way we are going to do better is some more hands on mentoring... ie, try and assign people tickets and such.
19:06:05 <nirik> LoKoMurdoK: every month I mail all people in apprentice. Anyone who doesn't reply is removed. I use this feedback to help improve things...
19:06:31 <StylusEater> nirik: I think it's helpful. I stepped back because of time and mentioned it to you in a reply.
19:06:50 <nirik> I had a suggestion to add a section on irc etiquette, which I did to the apprentice page. It could use more work tho.
19:06:53 <skvidal> nirik: to be fair - I thin k2 is not bad
19:06:59 <skvidal> err think 2
19:07:12 <nirik> StylusEater: yeah, totally understood.
19:07:16 <skvidal> nirik: when you think about adding folks and bringing them in - you don't want more than 5 at any given time, really
19:07:40 <skvidal> (this is the royal 'you' - not YOU specifically)
19:08:07 <nirik> skvidal: yeah. As always, the big hurdle is getting someone from wanting to help to working on something and doing things.
it can be daunting.
19:08:13 <skvidal> nod
19:08:24 <skvidal> and doing that for more than 5 of them...
19:08:26 <skvidal> that'd be tricky
19:08:30 <LoKoMurdoK> and when they graduate fi-apprentice?
19:08:57 <skvidal> LoKoMurdoK: we have a ceremony w/ a band
19:09:01 <skvidal> no, wait.
19:09:03 <nirik> LoKoMurdoK: once someone is working on a group they enjoy the don't need to be in apprentice anymore... they can work with whatever group or branch out and work on others.
19:09:03 <skvidal> no we don't
19:09:31 * nirik hands out drums and trombones.
19:09:32 <LoKoMurdoK> skvidal: nah
19:09:39 <skvidal> yah - what nirik says sounds much more reasonable
19:09:54 <nirik> anyhow, any other apprentice or new folks questions? or shall we move on?
19:09:56 * pingou disapointed
19:10:09 <nirik> pingou: ?
19:10:17 <skvidal> pingou: you wanted a ceremony?
19:10:25 <pingou> I wanted the ceremony as skvidal described
19:10:26 <LoKoMurdoK> skvidal: you have a band for the ceremony
19:10:30 <LoKoMurdoK> xD
19:10:34 <skvidal> heh
19:10:35 <skvidal> pingou:
19:10:39 <LoKoMurdoK> jajaj
19:10:42 <nirik> ah.
we will see if we can make one up.
19:10:50 * pingou lags
19:10:52 <smooge> I got a band. It was kazoos playing a dirge
19:11:07 * nirik breaks out the electric bagpipes.
19:11:12 <pingou> nirik: sounds like a plan for coming fudcon
19:11:12 <LoKoMurdoK> LOL
19:11:20 <nirik> #topic Upcoming new machine plans
19:11:34 <Southern_Gentlem> LoKoMurdoK, nopw
19:11:50 <nirik> so, our new machine plans are moving forward. we had an outage yesterday to replace db02 (rhel5) with db01 (rhel6) and bastion01 with bastion03
19:12:09 <nirik> there is some weirdness I was not aware of around the bastion machines.
19:12:22 <nirik> I am going to look at writing it up and seeing if we can make it less... anoying.
19:12:24 <skvidal> _some_?
19:12:31 <skvidal> there's a lot of weirdness
19:12:41 <nirik> issues (in no particular order):
19:13:01 <nirik> * we don't control reverse dns, so they will say bastion01/02 until we ask them to be changed.
19:13:19 <nirik> * There's a spf record for lists.fedoraproject.org that needs to list whatever one is active.
19:13:37 <nirik> * changing vpn over needs the openvpn configs to properly reflect the machines available, which it wasn't.
19:14:18 <nirik> so, anyhow, I am going to write up some of this and ask for ideas to make it more bullet proof.
19:14:47 <nirik> at some point we will replace bastion02 with 04...
19:15:07 <nirik> and smooge has been busy with stg boxes.
19:15:35 <smooge> retrace hardware is on network so I am working on that next
19:15:39 <nirik> Beta freeze is next week, so probibly will take a break during that.
19:15:43 <nirik> smooge: excellent.
19:16:11 <smooge> cool
19:16:20 <smooge> about making it more bullet proof.
19:16:35 <smooge> I considered it black magic that I needed a pint of ricky's blood to make work
19:16:47 <smooge> sadly I think that made ricky a tad hesitant to help
19:16:53 <nirik> also, anything that needs dns changes is horrible and we should figure out a better way.
19:17:03 <nirik> ha.
19:17:10 <smooge> thankfully we now have a spare
19:17:15 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items
19:17:29 <nirik> 2011-09-09 Remove inactive fi-apprentice people.
19:17:35 <nirik> 2011-09-13 - 27: Beta change freeze
19:17:48 <nirik> 2011-09-27: Fedora 16 Beta (unless it slips)
19:18:21 <nirik> Anyone have any other upcoming tasks/plans?
19:19:43 <nirik> #topic In Progress RFRs
19:20:10 <nirik> askbot is coming along. abadger1999 has been great help there.
(Sorry If I pawned it off on you too much)
19:20:24 <abadger1999> heh
19:20:32 <nirik> paste is in testing in dev now, if it looks good we can look at moving it to staging hopefully soon.
19:20:43 <abadger1999> nirik: I'll be sure to bother you if I need a change freeze request for the raffle app ;-)
19:20:57 <nirik> fair.
19:21:06 <smooge> raffle app?
19:21:29 <abadger1999> smooge: https://app01.dev.fedoraproject.org/raffle/
19:21:56 <nirik> cool.
19:22:02 <lmacken> very cool.
19:22:02 <abadger1999> smooge: It's for the ambassadors to run a T-Shirt raffle -- may turn out to be a one-off or something we want to continue developing.... not sure yet.
19:22:12 <smooge> ooooh
19:22:21 <smooge> we can raffle off tons of stuff
19:22:24 <skvidal> hahaha
19:22:29 <skvidal> abadger1999: is that your daughter?
19:22:33 <abadger1999> skvidal: it is.
19:22:33 <smooge> do a bug fix get entered in a raffle
19:22:39 <skvidal> abadger1999: she looks THRILLED to be involved in that
19:22:39 <nirik> Prizes:  ppc11
19:23:10 <smooge> hehehehe
19:23:19 <abadger1999> skvidal: Oh she is. As only a teenager can.
19:23:20 <smooge> to both nirik and skvidal
19:23:38 <skvidal> nirik: dude. I would be so happy if you'd raffle off all the ppcs to someone else
19:23:39 <nirik> smooge: speaking of which, any news on ppc11?
19:23:45 <smooge> no news
19:23:50 <skvidal> nirik: hell, just give them to jwb as a present
19:24:02 <nirik> skvidal: if we can get ppc11 working, we can give all the old bladecenter ones to ppc secondary arch.
19:24:10 <smooge> the ticket is sitting in limbo next to abadger1999's daughter smile
19:24:28 <skvidal> nirik: but if we give them all to jwb we can just not have to deal w/it at all
19:24:35 <skvidal> nirik: which, umm, seems better
19:24:46 <nirik> indeed, sadly epel still uses them...
19:24:53 <smooge> for all 3 downloaders
19:25:07 <skvidal> nirik: LA LA LA LA
19:25:11 <skvidal> I CAN'T HEAR YOU
19:25:20 * skvidal stops being silly
19:25:32 <smooge> skvidal, you can fight that with dgilmore
19:25:52 <smooge> I will be selling popcorn and raffling shirts for that matchup
19:26:35 <nirik> Oh, also on the rel-eng machine front: if we can get migrated off releng02 and kojipkgs02 we can repave bxen03. Doubt that will happen before beta, but we will see.
19:26:44 <nirik> #topic Open Floor
19:26:51 <nirik> Anyone have anything for open floor?
19:27:05 <skvidal> smooge: I noticed you were setting up salt - did you work through your problems?
19:27:23 <StylusEater> abadger1999: I like the additional restrictions on the raffle page. nice.
19:28:12 <smooge> skvidal, no. I need to talk to you after the meeting
19:28:25 <abadger1999> :-)
19:28:29 <skvidal> smooge: ok
19:28:31 <dgilmore> skvidal: oh i nearly added s390x to epel 6
19:28:47 <skvidal> dgilmore: you just say those things b/c you like to see me weep
19:29:01 <nirik> abadger1999: is the raffle app something you would package up and get into fedora? or to early to tell? a simple raffle app might be popular.
19:29:03 <smooge> tears of blood...
19:29:04 <dgilmore> skvidal: not always
19:29:32 <skvidal> dgilmore: nice
19:29:35 <abadger1999> nirik: Too early to tell -- I'm definitely going to rpm package it but I'm not sure if I'm going to make it a hosted project/put it into fedora.
19:29:43 <abadger1999> nirik: I want to see if this a one-off or not.
19:29:55 <nirik> yeah, understandable.
19:29:55 <abadger1999> If it's a one-off, then I won't do any of the extra stuff.
19:30:11 <abadger1999> Unless someone else wants to pick it up :-)
19:30:36 <nirik> dgilmore: thoughts on timing to move from releng02->releng04, and kojipkgs01->02 ? after beta?
19:30:51 <smooge> Could people test out staging at the momnet? I want to see how badly I broke it with db01->db02
19:31:17 <nirik> smooge: https://admin.stg.fedoraproject.org/accounts/ looks unhappy. ;(
19:32:17 <smooge> well then I am going to need help after the meeting on this...
19:32:23 <dgilmore> nirik: i need to check on one thing for releng02-04
19:32:46 <dgilmore> nirik: i was going to double check kojipkgs02
19:33:01 <dgilmore> nirik: but i think we can do kojipkgs02 before beta
19:33:03 <nirik> ok, no worries. Just let me know if there's anything more to do on them, etc.
19:33:08 <nirik> excellent.
19:33:33 <nirik> if we can do both, we can rebuild bxen03, which will give another nice bvirthost machine.
19:34:09 <smooge> dgilmore, would you have time next week during the freeze to go over what I need to do to move pkgs01.stg to new hardware?
19:34:49 <nirik> I could probibly help with that too.. .
19:35:47 <nirik> anyhow, anything else for open floor? or shall we get back to infra-ing?
19:35:56 <CodeBlock> I am here, sorry way late
19:36:18 <smooge> CodeBlock, its ok.. we just talked about your tasks for tomorrow
19:36:33 <pingou_> smooge, tomorrow ? Why wait ?
19:37:28 <CodeBlock> smooge: my "this is what you get for missing the meeting" tasks?
19:38:24 <nirik> ok, will close out in a minute if nothing else...
19:38:55 <nirik> thanks for coming everyone
19:38:58 <nirik> #endmeeting
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