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Old 02-13-2010, 04:08 PM
 
Default Additional IPv6 Bittorrent tracker

We have been looking at using opentracker, but it has been slow going, with us finding several bugs and needing to resolve those. Last I knew, extracting statistics from it was difficult and prone to crashing. If that's resolved now, we could use opentracker, but I haven't looked in a few weeks to know.


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From: Bernhard Schmidt [berni@birkenwald.de]
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:17 AM
To: admin@fedoraproject.org
Subject: Additional IPv6 Bittorrent tracker

Hi,

as most of you probably know IPv6 is the upcoming successor of the
current internet protocol IPv4. I have recently started to look into the
Bittorrent over IPv6 situation (my summary is available at
http://www.birkenwald.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:ipv6-bittorrent
).

Currently, while most Bittorrent clients are IPv6-capable most trackers
are not. This makes it very hard to impossible for clients to find IPv6
peers on their own.

The Bittorrent Multitracker extensions, which are implemented in almost
any client known today (and still provide a full backup path for clients
not implementing it) allow multiple trackers to be specified for a
torrent. We have recently done this for the conference recordings of
26c3 (a big german hacker conference) and had good results. The same
scheme is now in action for Ubuntu and Knoppix. The OpenOffice project
gave positive feedback, but has not implemented it so far.

Therefor I'd like to ask you to put an IPv6-only tracker into the Fedora
torrents. If there is a need I would volunteer to run that (see the
URL) and I also have a few very high-speed seeders (>= 1Gbps) on native
v6 that can help out to seed. But as stated before, this would only be
an additional tracker, not replacing the current one.

Please tell me what you think about this.

Best Regards,
Bernhard
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:33 PM
 
Default Additional IPv6 Bittorrent tracker

We do have a Xen host and several VMs on native IPv6 hosted at ibiblio.org, which is
where we would want to run such a tracker ourselves if possible. The goal was to
run the opentracker-v6 in parallel with the existing bittorrent-based tracker.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/IPv6
notes our v6 infrastructure.

The problem wasn't just that statistics were unavailable (which would be a problem - we like
having some counts of download methods), but that even retrieving them via
http would crash the tracker. :-(

I looked into Azureus briefly, but IIRC it's java-based? We don't have any java in our
infra environment right now. That doesn't mean we couldn't add it, but most FI maintainers
aren't java experts. I haven't looked into BitTornado.

Thank you for your offer to host though - that's something we can consider. The infrastructure list
(copied) is the right place for this discussion.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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Matt Domsch
Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux

________________________________________
From: Bernhard Schmidt [berni@birkenwald.de]
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 11:19 AM
To: Domsch, Matt
Cc: admin@fedoraproject.org; infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: Additional IPv6 Bittorrent tracker

On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:08:31AM -0600, Matt_Domsch@Dell.com wrote:

Hi Matt,

there are not that many trackers that support IPv6 as of now. The only
others I know are Azureus/Vuze and (limited) BitTornado.

However, this mail was about running a Tracker on IPv6, not changing the
currently used tracker software to OpenTracker. You need IPv6
connectivity to run the IPv6 tracker though, which does not seem to be
in use in the Fedora infrastructure at the moment (as far as I could
tell). This is why I volunteered my system, running opentracker, to be
used by Fedora.

I haven't had any stability issues, although I have to agree with you
that statistics are a weak point (by design?) of opentracker.

Best Regards,
Bernhard

> We have been looking at using opentracker, but it has been slow going,
> with us finding several bugs and needing to resolve those. Last I
> knew, extracting statistics from it was difficult and prone to
> crashing. If that's resolved now, we could use opentracker, but I
> haven't looked in a few weeks to know.
>
>
> --
> Matt Domsch
> Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
> linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Bernhard Schmidt [berni@birkenwald.de]
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:17 AM
> To: admin@fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Additional IPv6 Bittorrent tracker
>
> Hi,
>
> as most of you probably know IPv6 is the upcoming successor of the
> current internet protocol IPv4. I have recently started to look into the
> Bittorrent over IPv6 situation (my summary is available at
> http://www.birkenwald.de/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=projects:ipv6-bittorrent
> ).
>
> Currently, while most Bittorrent clients are IPv6-capable most trackers
> are not. This makes it very hard to impossible for clients to find IPv6
> peers on their own.
>
> The Bittorrent Multitracker extensions, which are implemented in almost
> any client known today (and still provide a full backup path for clients
> not implementing it) allow multiple trackers to be specified for a
> torrent. We have recently done this for the conference recordings of
> 26c3 (a big german hacker conference) and had good results. The same
> scheme is now in action for Ubuntu and Knoppix. The OpenOffice project
> gave positive feedback, but has not implemented it so far.
>
> Therefor I'd like to ask you to put an IPv6-only tracker into the Fedora
> torrents. If there is a need I would volunteer to run that (see the
> URL) and I also have a few very high-speed seeders (>= 1Gbps) on native
> v6 that can help out to seed. But as stated before, this would only be
> an additional tracker, not replacing the current one.
>
> Please tell me what you think about this.
>
> Best Regards,
> Bernhard

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Old 02-28-2010, 10:16 PM
Bernhard Schmidt
 
Default Additional IPv6 Bittorrent tracker

On 13.02.2010 18:49, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:

Meh, I just noticed that my mail below never got to the list, because I
wasn't fully subscribed before I hit send (and apparently it got lost in
the moderation queue).

See my comments below ... out of curiosity, I assume it is now too late
to get this in place for F13 due to the infrastructure freeze, even if
you were to use an external (i.e. my) IPv6 tracker?

Best Regards,
Bernhard

> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:33:39AM -0600, Matt_Domsch@Dell.com wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
>> We do have a Xen host and several VMs on native IPv6 hosted at ibiblio.org, which is
>> where we would want to run such a tracker ourselves if possible. The goal was to
>> run the opentracker-v6 in parallel with the existing bittorrent-based tracker.
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/IPv6
>> notes our v6 infrastructure.
>
> Ah, no clue how I missed that. You even have AAAA records for the main
> website :-
>
>> The problem wasn't just that statistics were unavailable (which would
>> be a problem - we like having some counts of download methods), but
>> that even retrieving them via http would crash the tracker. :-(
>
> Weird, the tracker I run is of course far from having the load of the
> official Fedora tracker, but it did not crash once for me in the last
> seven weeks. Fresh CVS checkout of libowfat and opentracker as of Dec
> 27th, compiled and running on an amd64 Debian (*hide*) VM. I poll the
> statistics with HTTP every minute and it has ~300 peers connected to it.
>
>> I looked into Azureus briefly, but IIRC it's java-based? We don't
>> have any java in our infra environment right now. That doesn't mean
>> we couldn't add it, but most FI maintainers aren't java experts. I
>> haven't looked into BitTornado.
>
> Yes, it's Java based and even requires X (as far as I know). And I would
> not really recommend BitTornado, it's extremely old and doesn't even
> expire peer entries correctly as far as I could see.
>
>> Thank you for your offer to host though - that's something we can
>> consider. The infrastructure list (copied) is the right place for
>> this discussion.
>
> Subscribing now ...
>
> Bernhard

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Old 03-01-2010, 06:44 AM
Jeff Garzik
 
Default Additional IPv6 Bittorrent tracker

On 02/28/2010 06:16 PM, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
> On 13.02.2010 18:49, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:33:39AM -0600, Matt_Domsch@Dell.com wrote:
>>> I looked into Azureus briefly, but IIRC it's java-based? We don't
>>> have any java in our infra environment right now. That doesn't mean
>>> we couldn't add it, but most FI maintainers aren't java experts. I
>>> haven't looked into BitTornado.
>>
>> Yes, it's Java based and even requires X (as far as I know). And I would
>> not really recommend BitTornado, it's extremely old and doesn't even
>> expire peer entries correctly as far as I could see.

transmission-cli and transmission-daemon do IPv6 quite well...

Jeff


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Old 03-01-2010, 11:10 AM
Bernhard Schmidt
 
Default Additional IPv6 Bittorrent tracker

On 01.03.2010 08:44, Jeff Garzik wrote:

Jeff,

> On 02/28/2010 06:16 PM, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
>> On 13.02.2010 18:49, Bernhard Schmidt wrote:
>>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:33:39AM -0600, Matt_Domsch@Dell.com wrote:
>>>> I looked into Azureus briefly, but IIRC it's java-based? We don't
>>>> have any java in our infra environment right now. That doesn't mean
>>>> we couldn't add it, but most FI maintainers aren't java experts. I
>>>> haven't looked into BitTornado.
>>>
>>> Yes, it's Java based and even requires X (as far as I know). And I would
>>> not really recommend BitTornado, it's extremely old and doesn't even
>>> expire peer entries correctly as far as I could see.
>
> transmission-cli and transmission-daemon do IPv6 quite well...

This was about trackers, I don't think Transmission includes a
BitTorrent tracker.

Transmission does IPv6 client pretty well indeed (it does not do v6 to
the tracker at the moment, but it can learn v6 peers with PEX and DHT).

Bernhard
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