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Old 01-21-2010, 07:41 PM
Ricky Zhou
 
Default Meeting Log - 2010-01-21

--- Log opened Thu Jan 21 00:00:09 2010
00:01 < jjmcd> #startmeeting Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21
00:01 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 21 00:01:45 2010 UTC. The chair is jjmcd. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
00:01 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
00:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
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00:01 < jjmcd> #topic roll call
00:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: roll call (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
00:01 * jjmcd .
00:01 * quaid
00:01 * rudi is here but not with 100% attention...
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00:02 < jjmcd> Sorry if a little disorganized. I only found out sparks was AWOL a couple minutes ago
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00:03 < jjmcd> #topic F13 Release Schedule
00:03 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: F13 Release Schedule (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
00:03 * laubersm stands in the back
00:03 < jjmcd> #link http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-docs-and-trans-tasks.html
00:03 < jjmcd> Don't be hiding laubersm
00:03 < jjmcd> ANyone have any comments, difficulties etc with the F13 schedule?
00:04 < jjmcd> I was unable to find my notes for John and haven't had time to recreate them, but they weren't biggies anyway
00:05 < quaid> for the last release, were there any miscommunications
00:05 < quaid> or disconnects?
00:05 < jjmcd> Yes
00:05 < jjmcd> quite a few
00:05 < jjmcd> I think most got addressed in the new schedule
00:05 < quaid> do we need to get an actual affirmative from people about the schedule?
00:05 < quaid> "Put your name on this wiki page" or mark a checkbox or something?
00:06 < jjmcd> That might be worthwhile, although I suspect ianweller, danielsmw, ke4qqq and othere may or may not be here
00:06 < jjmcd> But there is a good idea quaid
00:06 < jjmcd> #action jjmcd will put up a wiki page for each of the content owners to agree to the schedule
00:07 < jjmcd> Everyone OK with that?
00:07 < laubersm> I think the larger communication issues were with other groups though... like releng needing the rpm before we were scheduled to build it..
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00:07 < laubersm> I'm good with the sched (as much as I have looked) and good with a wiki to get the people really involved to sign off
00:07 < jjmcd> Well, yeah. That was a biggie, and you better believe this time i triple checked
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00:08 < jjmcd> And we will have some surprises this time since we are handling the L10N interface differently
00:08 < jjmcd> OK, anything else on the schedule?
00:09 < jjmcd> Moving on
00:09 < jjmcd> #topic Desktop Help Summit
00:09 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Desktop Help Summit (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
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00:10 < jjmcd> #link http://live.gnome.org/DesktopHelpSummit2010
00:10 < jjmcd> OK, it looks as if sparks might not be able to go
00:10 < laubersm> too far out on the schedule for me to say if I can be there. But it is not out of the question.
00:10 < jjmcd> laubersm, any news on whether you will make it?
00:10 < jjmcd> OK
00:10 < jjmcd> Is anyone else thinking about it?
00:10 < laubersm> Still even a possibilty I can get RH schedule me to teach up there before or after (thus covering plane at the same time)
00:11 < jjmcd> That would be a perfect scenario
00:11 < laubersm> They won't have the schedule together for a while (working on the first 2 weeks of Feb today)
00:11 < jjmcd> Right now I think I am the only for sure going, and we really should have two or three of us
00:12 < jjmcd> I told Max in a perfect world, rudi would be there but he didn't bite
00:12 < laubersm>
00:12 < rudi> lolz thanks anyway
00:12 < jjmcd> Well, especially without sparks it would be really good, but it is kind of a hike
00:13 < jjmcd> Anything else on the summit?
00:13 < jjmcd> Oh, I started to mention, Max did indicate he can make some funding available
00:14 < jjmcd> And we really should have more representation than me if Susan can't make it
00:15 < jjmcd> OK, moving on
00:15 < jjmcd> #topic Release Notes
00:15 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Release Notes (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
00:15 < jjmcd> This one is quick. I did post a new updated test RPM if anyone wants to test
00:16 < jjmcd> I don't have the link right here but I did send it to the list
00:16 * quaid has to move networks (head home), bbi7m
00:16 < jjmcd> Paul made a good catch on the first one, but other than that
00:16 < jjmcd> Thanks quaid
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00:17 < jjmcd> Any questions, updates, comments, concerns about release notes?
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00:17 < jjmcd> #topic Status on CMS (Zikula)
00:17 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Status on CMS (Zikula) (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
00:17 < jjmcd> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zikula#Module_status
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00:18 < jjmcd> I'm not so sure we have any of the usual suspects here
00:18 < jjmcd> Any reports on Zikula?
00:19 < jjmcd> I guess not
00:19 < jjmcd> so
00:19 < jjmcd> #topic Guide Status
00:19 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Guide Status (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
00:20 < jjmcd> rudi, any comments/updates on the guides?
00:20 < rudi> jjmcd -- nothing this week
00:20 < jjmcd> OK, anyone else on guides?
00:21 < jjmcd> #topic New Guides
00:21 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: New Guides (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
00:21 < jjmcd> Anyone starting new guides?
00:22 < jjmcd> #topic All other business
00:22 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: All other business (Meeting topic: Docs Project Meeting 2010-01-21)
00:22 < radsy> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq/ i'm updating that
00:22 < jjmcd> OK, here I do have something
00:23 < jjmcd> It looks as if sparks may be scarce for a little while here, I don't have any data on how long at this point, so if you see a leadership vacuum please don't be shy about stepping up
00:24 < jjmcd> Of course, under normal circumstances there is no need to be timid, but for now try to get over your timidity please
00:25 < jjmcd> Ahh, rasdy, sorry I middes that
00:25 < jjmcd> How are you coming? Need anything?
00:25 < radsy> nope, going fine - waiting for the next sync on that page, and adding a lot from dwalsh@
00:26 < jjmcd> good deal
00:26 < jjmcd> I still need to do some recruiting for the ARG
00:26 < radsy> was considerably out-dated
00:27 < jjmcd> hehe - that is something that needs not only documentation, but also marketing
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00:28 < radsy> i also had a couple of EOI for adding to the wireless-guide, but no email responses or IRC arrivals
00:28 < jjmcd> ahh
00:28 < jjmcd> I think a lot of people imagine that they aren't 31337 enough or something
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00:29 < radsy> nothing else from me at this point
00:29 < jjmcd> Is there anything else for the good of the order?
00:30 < jjmcd> If you're thinking about going to Chicago, think harder!
00:30 < jjmcd> last call
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00:31 < laubersm> 12
00:31 < laubersm> 42
00:31 < laubersm> hut
00:31 < jjmcd> 432
00:31 < jjmcd> #endmeeting
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00:31 < zodbot> Meeting ended Thu Jan 21 00:32:19 2010 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot .
00:31 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-00.01.html
00:31 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-00.01.txt
00:31 < laubersm> thanks jjmcd
00:31 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-00.01.log.html
00:31 < jjmcd> thanks everyone
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16:30 < nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21)
16:30 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 21 16:30:45 2010 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
16:30 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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16:30 < nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig
16:30 < nirik> #topic init process
16:30 < zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig'
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16:30 < nirik> who all is around for meeting?
16:30 * hiemanshu
16:30 * EvilBob
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16:32 * nirik will wait a minute or two more for folks to wander in.
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16:34 < nirik> ok, I guess we should go ahead and get starteed.
16:34 < nirik> started even.
16:34 < nirik> #topic registration and spam
16:35 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: registration and spam (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21))
16:35 < nirik> so, the big news this last week has been the spammers/floodbots on freenode.
16:35 * thomasj here
16:35 < nirik> we have setup a redirect for any unregistered user to #fedora-unregistered
16:35 < nirik> along with a number of ways to tell people there that they should register.
16:36 < nirik> The thought was that we keep this setup until the freenode ircd move and try going back to the old setup then.
16:36 < nirik> any thoughts on things we should change now or other ideas moving ahead?
16:36 < EvilBob> I am not aware of the changes the newbring IRCd will
16:37 < EvilBob> I am not aware of the changes the new IRCd will bring
16:37 < nirik> I have heard from a number of staffers that the new ircd should help block floodbots like we were seeing this last week.
16:37 < nirik> but I have no details on how it would.
16:37 < EvilBob> This is working, keeping some of the part/join noise down even
16:38 < nirik> from the freenode blog: "This new ircd provides a number of exciting new capabilities including improved capability to deal with spam of all kinds, including this most recent type which is entirely mitigated by improvements in seven"
16:38 < fenris02> the existint ircd is quite hackable
16:38 < thomasj> Works very well. Not just the spam bots are out, even most of the trolls.
16:38 < fenris02> also provides ircs
16:38 < EvilBob> The users "stuck" in -unregistered are not participants in the channel anyhow
16:38 < thomasj> Speaking of #fedora now
16:39 < nirik> yeah, it's caught a few of those for sure.
16:39 < fenris02> very few trolls remain in #fedora after +rR
16:39 < EvilBob> again with the +rR
16:39 < hiemanshu> I think the current setup is good, and probably even continue after the new IRCd
16:39 * fenris02 guesses that the number of kbans has gone down considerably since
16:40 < nirik> we don't have +R set.
16:40 < nirik> but yeah...
16:40 < thomasj> No kick/ban from my side since we changed it.
16:40 < EvilBob> The current policy is different than the old policy
16:40 < nirik> so, sounds like folks are wanting to keep the current setup moving forward?
16:40 < thomasj> +1
16:40 < hiemanshu> +1
16:41 < Dan_NH> +1
16:41 < fenris02> EvilBob, what was the old policy?
16:41 < fenris02> +1 nirik
16:41 < EvilBob> the current sends unregistered users to a channel where communication is not prevented
16:41 * fenris02 nods
16:41 < EvilBob> the old policy sent them in to a muted channel
16:41 < EvilBob> +1 keep the current
16:41 < nirik> well, not sure we need to decide right now...
16:42 < fenris02> EvilBob, did the old policy work better, worse, or about the same as the current one?
16:42 * Dan_NH can see benefit of old policy.
16:42 < EvilBob> fenris02: does not matter it is not allowed
16:43 < nirik> EvilBob: ?
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16:43 < fenris02> EvilBob, oic. i'd asked about doing that a bit earlier
16:43 < EvilBob> fenris02: ;^) this is by far better
16:43 < EvilBob> fenris02: sending unknowing/uneducated users in to a block hole really sucked
16:44 < fenris02> ok, fair enough
16:44 < EvilBob> fenris02: with -unregistered not muted they can at least ask for help registering
16:44 < nirik> I think if we are going to go this long term we need: board buyin, and docs updated (to note about registering, etc).
16:45 < EvilBob> see "the board" when reading my "not allowed" comment
16:45 < thomasj> What docs need updating?
16:45 < nirik> thomasj: the communicate ones on the wiki most likely?
16:45 < nirik> and/or any of the install/release notes that talk about where to get help
16:46 < fenris02> the irc page on fp.o already mentions registering. that's how i knew. it does need updates - but only to add the newer channels (-uk, 398, freeipa, etc..)
16:46 < thomasj> nirik, good point
16:46 < nirik> EvilBob: sure, but I think we can get buyin if we approach with clear advantages, etc.
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16:46 < nb> is anyone in #fedora-unregistered to help people register?
16:46 < EvilBob> nb: yes
16:46 < nirik> nb: yep. A number of us ops are.
16:46 < EvilBob> nb: most of the ops hang out there
16:46 < nb> oh ok
16:46 * nb will idle in there too
16:47 < nirik> we also have: a welcome message with a link, a topic with a link, a bot that spews every 15min with a note/link.
16:47 < nb> nice
16:47 < nirik> I think since freenode is now not +R, we could also point folks there to help get registered.
16:47 < EvilBob> nirik: I think we are doing everything "right" this time
16:47 < nirik> if we can't figure it out.
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16:48 < nirik> yeah, I think it's working not too bad...
16:48 * EvilBob waits for the next item
16:48 < nirik> anything further on this topic? or shall we move along?
16:48 < nirik> #topic Stats
16:48 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Stats (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21))
16:49 < nirik> weekly stats over at http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html as usual.
16:49 < fenris02> woot! not #1 for a change!
16:49 < nirik> been a lighter than normal week I think...
16:49 < nirik> yikes. I am.
16:50 < EvilBob> Looks like a few kicks, not a list of bans?
16:50 < nirik> sadly, one of the spammer links is in there. ;(
16:51 < nirik> (please don't click on it
16:51 < hiemanshu> at the top
16:51 < fenris02> 94x sheesh
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16:51 < hiemanshu> I am sure imageshack does not have 527 img servers
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16:51 < fenris02> the host looks down anyhow
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16:51 < EvilBob> In -social we had no kicks and one ban
16:51 < nirik> EvilBob: I think the second part talking about kicks was really bans.
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16:52 < EvilBob> user posted a link to a porn banners site
16:52 < nirik> but I can only think of one ban in fedora recently.
16:52 * Southern_Gentlem
16:52 < EvilBob> I set a 1 weekban using the bot so it should autoexpire
16:52 < nirik> ok, anything further on stats? Perhaps we could ask to get stats on unregistered as well...
16:53 < nirik> EvilBob: you may need to check that, the bot might have been restarted since then... and it forgets it's timer then. ;(
16:53 < fenris02> EvilBob, unless the bot restarts somewhere between when you set +1w and 1w later.
16:53 < EvilBob> THe Sonars are out of town on Family business
16:53 * nirik restarted the bot on the 18th.
16:53 < EvilBob> nirik fenris02: I have a note here somewhere
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16:53 < nirik> ok, anything else on stats?
16:54 < EvilBob> if I never find it or forget it will get cleaned up someday
16:54 < nirik> #topic Open Floor
16:54 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Open Floor (Meeting topic: IRC Support SIG (2010-01-21))
16:55 < nirik> ok, I had nothing else off hand... anyone have any items for open floor?
16:55 < fenris02> the new -uk channel
16:55 < nullsys>
16:55 < Southern_Gentlem> nirik, fedbot in -uk??
16:55 < Southern_Gentlem> nirik, fedbot in -uk??
16:55 < nirik> ah yes, there is a new #fedora-uk channel starting up.
16:55 < EvilBob> the point of -uk?
16:55 < nb> do we want zodbot in therE?
16:55 * nb can join it
16:55 < nullsys> My and MooDoo set it up
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16:55 < nirik> nullsys: care to talk about the channel a bit?
16:56 < nirik> #topic #fedora-uk
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16:56 < nullsys> Sure
16:56 < nb> .join #fedora-uk
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16:56 < MooDoo> nirik: it's just a channel i thought we'd setup for uk users.
16:56 < EvilBob> Most #fedora-XX channels are for specific language support
16:56 < MooDoo> nothing special but it seems the people of the uk did want somewhere to go other than #fedora
16:56 < EvilBob> Last I checked those in the UK used English...
16:56 < Southern_Gentlem> basic to help organize UK people
16:56 < fenris02> MooDoo, purely out of curiosity - what reasons to they mention ?
16:57 < nirik> EvilBob: if we see someone type 'colour' we can send them there?
16:57 < nullsys> Myself and MooDoo are UK ambassadors. After I joined the ambassador group we had a discussion about the lack of response Fedora is seeing in the UK. So after speaking to rsc and a few other ambasadors we felt it would be a great idea to start a specific UK group were events, ideas and discussions could acumulate to a positive Fedora community for the UK
16:57 < EvilBob> nirik: or #fedora-Kanehdah
16:57 < nullsys> The positive response from the past 48 hours of it being active has been impressive.
16:57 < nirik> EvilBob: take off eh.
16:57 < Southern_Gentlem> ok guys the roads are getting bad so i am heading for the house
16:57 < MooDoo> fenris02: the ones i've spoken to, too busy, hard to get yourself heard, the odd one mentioned unhelpfulness [although i've experienced that]
16:57 < EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem: be safe
16:57 < nirik> Southern_Gentlem: drive safe.
16:58 < MooDoo> Southern_Gentlem: bye bye
16:58 < nullsys> Coupled with the website fedora-uk.org we have had new ambassador requests, new members, new irc users, new offers for freemedia distrobution and alot of requests to help with events and support
16:58 < fenris02> Southern_Gentlem, have a safe trip
16:58 < nirik> MooDoo: excellent. So we should point community folks that we notice that are in the uk your way?
16:58 < nullsys> THere is a specific mailing list, planet.* and hopefully a wiki/forum soon.
16:58 < fenris02> MooDoo, unhelpfulness = reading docs, or rudeness?
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16:58 < EvilBob> Building Community is a great reason for the channel
16:58 < MooDoo> fenris02: rudeness
16:58 < fenris02> the fp.o page should mention -uk as well imho
16:59 < EvilBob> MooDoo: I resemble that remark
16:59 < nirik> yeah, can get it added there.
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16:59 < nullsys> Thanks fenris02, that would be a great positive help to do that.
16:59 < nullsys> I have a blog on blogs.* and the room is also mentioned in two other places on the wiki
17:00 < EvilBob> Many people find someone pointing them to a document rude
17:00 < nullsys> spot is of course the owner of the channel, but we have also had help from VileGent, nirik and others. So I also just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has helped so far.
17:00 < fenris02> EvilBob, thats why i had to ask, to make exactly that distinction
17:00 < EvilBob> I have experienced this reaction from many including those from the UK
17:00 < nirik> excellent. If you guys need any further help, let us know!
17:00 < nullsys> will do, dont you worry
17:00 < nirik> anything further on #fedora-uk ?
17:01 < MooDoo> nothing i can think of, approval would be good
17:01 < EvilBob> Send those that need help to #fedora, send a chaperon if needed
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17:01 < MooDoo> EvilBob: that's what we'd do anyway
17:01 < nullsys> Absolutely, we dont want to be an alternative for fedora channels, just somewhere specific for uk users.
17:01 < fenris02> anytime you have 500+ people, there will be some rude apples
17:02 < nullsys> thanks for letting us talk
17:02 < nirik> #topic Open Floor Redux
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17:02 < nirik> ok, anything further before we close out?
17:02 < Dan_NH> thank you for having this meeting in the open.
17:03 < nullsys> I'd just like to say thanks to everyone for welcoming me to the community, im very new here but the support has been great.
17:03 < EvilBob> Just request to continue to be tolerant of others perhaps being more relaxed than you are or might expect
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17:04 < nirik> Dan_NH: no problem. Thanks for coming. We really want more feedback from the community if we can get it...
17:04 < nirik> EvilBob: +1
17:04 < EvilBob> Just because someone likes to joke a bit does not mean that they should be "removed"
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17:05 < EvilBob> Hope we have another Great week
17:05 < MooDoo> what about requesting ops for a channel?
17:05 < fenris02> that's a thin line EvilBob ... if the joke involves steering someone to breaking their system, it is not funny
17:05 < EvilBob> Oh and welcome hiemanshu
17:05 < hiemanshu> Thank you EvilBob
17:05 < fenris02> oh, we didnt welcome hiemanshu last week? my bad
17:05 < nirik> MooDoo: which channel?
17:05 < MooDoo> #fedora-ambassadors
17:05 < nirik> oh yeah, welcome hiemanshu
17:06 < nirik> MooDoo: you would have to talk to spot about that...
17:06 < EvilBob> fenris02: setting the default runlevel to 6 is not breaking a system and is VERY funny... ;^)
17:06 < EvilBob> NOTE: Dont do this
17:06 < hiemanshu> EvilBob: +1
17:06 < MooDoo> nirik: ok thanks
17:06 < hiemanshu> nirik, fenris02 : Thank you
17:06 < nirik> thanks for coming everyone!
17:06 < EvilBob> Buhbye
17:06 < nirik> #endmeeting
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17:06 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/irc-support-sig.2010-01-21-16.30.html
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17:06 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/irc-support-sig.2010-01-21-16.30.log.html
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17:07 < hiemanshu> No one spoke bacon this week :P
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17:07 < Dan_NH> pork? :P
17:07 < nirik> hiemanshu: thats pretty shocking.
17:07 < hiemanshu> nirik: probably because the Sonar_* were missing
17:08 * nullsys runs off into the caverns of cheerio breakfast cereal...
17:08 < nullsys> thanks all
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19:59 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting
19:59 < zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 21 20:00:08 2010 UTC. The chair is mmcgrath. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
19:59 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
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19:59 * ricky
19:59 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here?
19:59 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Who's here?
19:59 * ricky
19:59 * jds2001
19:59 < jaxjax> Hi
19:59 * wzzrd
20:00 < abadger1999> Here.
20:00 * nirik is lingering in the back
20:00 -!- sijis [n=sijis@fedora/sijis] has joined #fedora-meeting
20:00 < nullsys> Here
20:00 * sijis is here
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20:00 < jaxjax> I'm newby here
20:00 * a-k is
20:00 < mmcgrath> Lets see if we can get through the meeting without taking the wiki down or losing a chunk of one of our production switches.
20:00 < mmcgrath> OK, lets get started
20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic Infrastructure -- Tickets
20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Infrastructure -- Tickets
20:01 * sijis is wondering how a meeting can take down the wiki
20:01 < mmcgrath> sijis: ehh, we lost the wiki twice last night for seemingly very strange reasons.
20:01 < mmcgrath> .tiny https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&g roup=milestone&keywords=~Meeting&order=priority
20:01 < zodbot> mmcgrath: http://tinyurl.com/47e37y
20:01 < mmcgrath> hey look, no tickets.
20:01 < mmcgrath> that makes this easy.
20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic boot.fedoraproject.org
20:01 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: boot.fedoraproject.org
20:01 < jaxjax>
20:02 < mmcgrath> So this is kind of an odd topic since we don't really deal directly with the OS all that often.
20:02 < mmcgrath> but - http://boot.fedoraproject.org/
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20:02 < mmcgrath> is unofficially online.
20:02 < mmcgrath> I'd appreciate it if people with abilities can give it a try.
20:02 < mmcgrath> there's experimental stuff on there that flat out doesn't work
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20:02 < mmcgrath> but install and rescue bits should
20:03 < mmcgrath> Has anyone had a chance to play with it yet?
20:03 < abadger1999> Anyway to generate a list of what's hosted semi-automatically?
20:03 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: on fedorahosted?
20:03 < abadger1999> On boot.fp.o
20:03 < abadger1999> The images we can boot.
20:04 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: ah, I'll try to get one together, at the moment just install media. I'm hoping to get live media going though
20:04 < wzzrd> mmcgrath: boot is wicked; anything specific you want tested?
20:04 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: just it, over and over and over.
20:04 < wzzrd> doing it as we speak
20:04 < mmcgrath> if it's buggy I don't want to expose the users to it yet.
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20:05 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: oh, and some other tools are on there.
20:05 < jds2001> is BKO officially launcehd yet?
20:05 < sijis> is this going to be the new way to install fedora?
20:05 < mmcgrath> the thing that's nice is we can update it without having to force people to re-burn the image.
20:05 < mmcgrath> jds2001: good question, I'm not sure if he's advertising it actively or not yet.
20:05 < mmcgrath> BFO (based on BKO) is not yet official but I have a feature request in
20:05 < mmcgrath> sijis: it's going to be "a new way" to install fedora
20:06 < wzzrd> won't this cost massive bandwidth? or doesn't that matter?
20:06 < sijis> gotcha, an alternative
20:06 < mmcgrath> wzzrd: actually, as it stands right now, it won't.
20:06 < mmcgrath> since it relies on the mirrors.
20:06 < mmcgrath> having said that... if we go into live media.. That gets much trickier.
20:06 < Oxf13> yeah
20:06 < mmcgrath> and involves some architectural decisions.
20:07 < mmcgrath> I may not post them at all, I may just point to what BKO already has setup.
20:07 < Oxf13> mmcgrath: is there anything about boot.fp.o that requires releng to put content somewhere different/else/triggersomething/whatever?
20:07 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: not really, the one thing I was hoping from you guys is to get some things into our default initrd's that aren't there now
20:07 < mmcgrath> like iscsi and nfs support
20:07 < mmcgrath> other then that I don't think there's any changes for anyone.
20:08 < Oxf13> I've been trying to get notting and warthog to talk about that for months :/
20:08 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: as I understand it there's an ordering problem with dracut.
20:08 < Oxf13> I really don't know what the deal is
20:08 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: perhaps after the meeting you can step me through exactly what command you run to build an ISO and I can do some tests and see if I can get it working.
20:08 < mmcgrath> I've gotten it working after the fact.
20:08 < mmcgrath> but in the actual build process I'm a little confused what is going on
20:08 < Oxf13> sure
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20:09 < mmcgrath> Anyone else have any questions about that?
20:09 < mmcgrath> If not we'll move on.
20:09 < mmcgrath> k
20:09 < mmcgrath> #topic The outages last night
20:09 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: The outages last night
20:09 < mmcgrath> So last night was weird.
20:10 < mmcgrath> special thanks for ricky and nigel for taking care of things.
20:10 < mmcgrath> The wiki went out twice, then we lost a switch blade in one of our switches.
20:10 -!- dwmw2_gone is now known as dwmw2_WLG
20:10 < mmcgrath> that's now replaced as of an hour or two ago.
20:10
 
Old 01-22-2010, 12:05 AM
Ricky Zhou
 
Default Meeting Log - 2010-01-21

Oops, I forgot to trim the log in that last email. The Infrastructure
meeting starts at 19:59 in the log.

Thanks,
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Old 01-22-2010, 09:14 AM
Mathieu Bridon
 
Default Meeting Log - 2010-01-21

On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 02:05, Ricky Zhou <ricky@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> Oops, I forgot to trim the log in that last email. *The Infrastructure
> meeting starts at 19:59 in the log.

Meetbot trims it for you
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-20.00.log.html
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-20.00.html

And you can use the text version if you want to paste it in the email:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-20.00.log.txt
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-01-21/fedora-meeting.2010-01-21-20.00.txt


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